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involvement aliens at all it was

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completely silent it comes right over

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our head it's so sick he's also really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father held his hand and he looked

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alright and welcome to the show this is

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Martin Willis your host and I am

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actually in Russia I know you people

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probably tired of hearing that and it'll

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be another couple of weeks that I'm here

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but the good thing is is I get to talk

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to people like our guest today class one

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who's in Sweden and it's not the middle

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of the night like it usually is when I

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it's uh it's one o'clock in Eastern

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where he is and in California I don't

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California Alejandro it is 10:00 a.m.

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so just a man of international mystery

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this is just now all right so I do want

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or more a month you can find that

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information on podcast UFO com

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you can also watch us live wednesdays

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for a couple more weeks 1 to 3 p.m.

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and Alejandro and I we don't have video

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and so I just thought best not being

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trying to make the news here on video

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but but class Vaughn will be joining us

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Alejandro how's it going out there it is

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wonderful place especially where you go

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they're almost all yeah well yeah but to

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get to go to the good places but again

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and and just so people don't freak out

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I'm still updating all of our stuff so I

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got a UFO story we posted yesterday

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today so still keep him busy remotely

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wherever I am so no worries to those who

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yeah and you do this up I really like

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the thing you do the UFO headlines till

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you scour the news and come up with that

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they say are their favorite UFO video

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clips and so we have that in our

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headlines today alright oh there's some

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good clips what do you think I you know

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what I haven't looked them over that

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much it looks like a lot of the clips

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of them yeah well you know that's the

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thing there is some amazing UFO clips

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especially the one that had like 15

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million views or something and that CGI

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is the Chile one and of course that's

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Leslie Kane on - we both did and to

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different times and I think I my memory

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serves me right I think I suggested to

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Leslie that we cancel that show mm-hmm

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canceled you know they face a little bit

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though so and you know right yeah

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other news out there so there's an

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interesting video you and I have talked

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shining disc so UFO witness captures a

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shining disc on video near Toronto

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harbour front the first thing that you

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Toronto harbour front is beautiful what

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couple was out at the harbor front for a

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Canada Day which is July 2nd

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does make me curious

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however these guys were out there for

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the festivities and it was during the

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day and they took a video and I think

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you're younger and you've never heard of

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a record album and your night what the

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what the heck are you talking about look

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plastic discs that we played music off

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the edge we don't see it and then once

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the middle and many you know mylar

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silver and they have you know cartoon

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character or something or a teddy bear

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however the fading in and out I don't

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balloon kind of turning it could be

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interesting video than we've seen in a

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as a balloon just because it's so

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perfectly round and it seems like it's

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word today it seems like and there's

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work to have problems where yep

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understand reflection could do that if

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it hits the Sun and then like you said

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if there could have been a cloud that

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would be blocking the Sun although you

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couldn't see anything I think it's very

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bright it's moving it's very interesting

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it just completely disappears it comes

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back into vision so I'm gonna tell the

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listener to check that out on open minds

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dot TV that video and see what you think

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I think it's really fascinating I think

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looked at hard that's what I think

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interesting so if you know if MUFON does

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update people and I hope they do because

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that so it was something that was

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submitted to them so originally in the

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that and you can still see that link

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that's the raw video uploaded by the

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witness but then you or somebody you had

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notified me that the it apparently the

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witness um posted the video on you yes

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as well so I did embed that for people

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to see and and you know even the

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reaction from the person it's something

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that's helpful to analyse is how they

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post it what they're saying in the video

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those sort of things and it all seems

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genuine that this is just you know it's

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a normal couple who who witnessed

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something they can't explain I think so

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and I do have to correct you slightly

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about one thing I think people know what

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records are a matter of fact there is a

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resurgence yeah there's a resurgence of

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vinyl it's coming back haven't you heard

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that really yes

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people are buying turntables again and

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buying records now if I'm wrong email me

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but I think I'm pretty sure that's what

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what they're vintage and he was telling

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me there's a big

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come back and vinyl that's kind of silly

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they're all big and bulky and I had

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these little records that you could put

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dinosaurs and it was a lot of fun but

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your phone and everything and what's

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cool you know even the the wikki wikki

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wikki rapper studio things are all

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digital so you can make that sound

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digital and you don't have to worry

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about these huge discs that you carry

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around that break and melt and so yeah I

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don't know but that's good to know at

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least they're learning a bit about

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history yeah otherwise two more mentions

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before we leave I just want to say in

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the headlines there's a couple

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interesting stories that have been out

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there in the last couple last few days

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one I think this is cool so goop which

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is a website that is owned by Gweneth

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Paltrow had an interview of let with

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Leslie Kane who we mentioned earlier and

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so that's kind of neat and it's about

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UFOs because of course she's written

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about life after gas recently in her

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latest book but it is about UFOs so

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that's pretty cool that's something to

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look out for and the other thing is this

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is kind of interesting for any fans of

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prodigy he's a musician or passed away

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recently but I guess he had a UFO

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sighting so there's a story about him

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having a UFO sighting and thinking maybe

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even he called them men but that is a

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story that was on vibe today so that's

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something to look at - that's kind of

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interesting so of course you can find

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these right on the front page and the

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daily UFO headlines the one from today

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but if you go into the article and go to

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daily UFO headlines you'll see some of

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the previous ones and you'll be able to

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find the link I think that was Monday it

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was the seventh - GUP Gwyneth Paltrow's

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website so that's kind of cool I think

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that is great yeah that's awesome

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and I like the fact when you know you

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and I had this conversations when before

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when you know celebrity gets involved

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at and people take it serious I should

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say more people will look at it you know

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what's going on so I think it's a good

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thing I agree I agree a hundred percent

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I think it's a good thing that the you

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know they all have followers and some

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people I think because they don't like

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the celebrity get really upset who cares

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what they think but you know celebrities

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have mostly largely like one of cultural

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millions of followers and people who are

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following her site so it's introducing

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the topic and especially with an

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interview from Leslie Kane in a credible

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way to people who otherwise would have

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no exposure to this stuff so definitely

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I agree out very positive thing and I

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I always feel great about um you know

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celebrities getting involved I don't

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personally so that's a negative thing

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some people feel there's credibility

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issues but we cause our own credibility

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issues no doubt um enough so yeah I

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agree with you all right hey well you

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have yourself a great time out there

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all right thanks you too it's some time

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on and I have a great interview all

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right yeah all right thanks I know I'll

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be out there within the within the the

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hour I'm sure you will all right take

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care now talk to you later all right

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all right class are you there yeah I'm

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here

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hi welcome to the show thank you

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thank you thanks so much for being here

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let me just suss what just whip

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something out here real quickly all

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right so how are you class welcome to

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the show

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you've been on a number of times I

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always enjoy hearing from you a lot and

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can you give the listener who hasn't

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heard you before your background oh you

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started you started very young in this

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field so why don't why don't you talk

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about that and what got you interested

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in the very first first place you know

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we were young once upon a time all of us

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and I was the being of age when I

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started a small society in a small city

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in the south of Sweden where I was born

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City School Maria stored and we were

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only ten

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well boys not the single girl inside

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that what we decided that we wanted to

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know some more about UFOs not just read

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about them we wanted to go in the field

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to make interviews to try to find

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explanations will make documentation and

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since then since that they may 18th 1974

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I done so every day of my life really

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couple of hours every day so yeah it's

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miss Eve maybe but most of the other

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days I do something that really has to

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do with UFOs and to find an answer

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solution to this enigma so I involved

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you of Sweden which is the organization

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here in Sweden I've been the chairman

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for many many years now I'm

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second-in-command because I want is a

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new Junger to come in and take it over

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after me but I'm still very involved in

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you for Sweden and they also work very

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much with your cash for the unexplained

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which we will come back to later I kiss

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you now if you're yes absolutely if

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you're watching live on YouTube or later

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on YouTube after it's been archived you

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will see in the background these are

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books that are just this is your home

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office right that you're in now a but

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you're but the archives are up to I

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asked you earlier before we went live

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thirty two thousand bucks which is

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there's only the books really but we

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have five hundred square meters of the

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area and hundreds of thousands of

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magazines hundreds of thousands and

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newspaper clippings we have audios we

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have videos you have paraphernalia

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we have full kind of stuff that you can

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really imagine that goes with the label

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UFO or you can say everything in the

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computer paranormal so we collect and we

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make things available that what we do do

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you have a lot of publishers that come

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out with a new book I get a lot of new

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books in the mail all the time which is

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really one of the benefits of having a

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show do you have that happen as well

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people send you books when they publish

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them

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yeah they do and but we also try to make

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contact with authors so we are on top of

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them before they are writing of course

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and we travel a lot I just came back

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from a hole in the Belgium I brought

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back five hundred folks and a couple of

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thousands of magazines and we go to

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Britain in October to bring back one

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hundred at least boxes with with UFO

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stuff and so that I do that every year

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and we went to California last year and

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saved a stick or caves in Eureka in

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California oh yeah I know where that is

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would you say what would you say is your

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most prized book in the in the archives

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do you have the Holy Grail we have a

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couple of from the 1700s about editions

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which are very very expensive

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a couple of thousand dollars for each of

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the books and quite a few books in that

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range really but most of them are in the

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paranormal field because UFOs well they

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just thought it to come around in the

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1940s and they are not that expensive

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but you can find books that we must pay

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eight seven or eight hundred dollars for

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if we want to buy them so there are or

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find things out there but we have most

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of it now which we're still looking for

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for some gems really we are yeah now

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I've talked to a couple of antique book

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dealers that just deal in libraries of

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books and I've always asked them to

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contact me if they find anything in UFOs

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and I've talked to about three or four

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of them I haven't had one single call

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yet so I'm just you know it's hard to

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find them because there are not too many

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of them I met the lady in Holland after

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last week she got a library like mine

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eight or nine thousand books and some

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are very very rare very nice things but

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mostly in Dutch but some of them in

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English as well very nice now who finds

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the keeping of these boy

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is itself like a self-funded

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organization we are around 50 people

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that putting money from our own pockets

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into this so we are really doing this

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for ourselves but for the greater

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benefit of others we start in 1973 with

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a Fu and since then we have paid for

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most of it ourselves the last couple of

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years we had some help from the Swedish

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unemployment agency that put people with

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us to work and we do get some money for

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doing that yeah that's good very good

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because the government really is helping

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us in that way wow that's amazing

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the government helping when it comes to

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UFOs do you have is there is there a

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need for funding of any kind to help

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help this and tell us about that yeah I

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mean it really is this is historical

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this is a value for all mankind as you

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say what we are doing nobody else is

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doing so the money coming in from

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outside our own pockets or very limited

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yeah yeah always on the edge every month

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turns around but nothing more and would

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save much so if anyone is interested

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okay if you dr. C and take a look and

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please there are there are a bottom

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tonight you could help us very very much

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with that yeah yeah now I know someone

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who took a large not not a library like

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yours but a library of antique books

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about 5000 of them and he digitized them

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yeah now has there ever been any talk

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about possibly I know that's it would be

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a vast undertaking but as their ever

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betting you talk about digitizing so

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that everybody can see what you have

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absolutely we are digitizing every day

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but mostly UFO magazines and newspaper

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clippings

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we have digitized around a couple of

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hundreds of thousands newspaper

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clippings Wow maybe 150 magazines so we

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are doing that all the time the books

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it's another topic really because you

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have to have a book scanner yeah and the

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books are very expensive we have saved

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money for buying one of those but we

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have not really decided to buy each

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other that will be the next step for us

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Wow

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so can anybody in the world go to this

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website and actually see those clippings

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that you already have digitized not yet

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you can go there you can see a lot of

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things but we are going to publish most

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of the things we have on our website

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probably behind some very very chic but

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annual donation button or something like

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that

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then you can get access to the material

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we have that is or go you can visit us

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which many people do from all around the

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world to sit down and make copies and

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read but we will be out on the internet

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with much more inside eurozone Wow okay

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now so this is all very interesting but

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everybody loves talking about UFO so

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we're gonna skip along to that but I

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think it's wonderful that you have this

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available and the future can only be

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better as far as the digitizing of it so

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you and I have talked about most rockets

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in the past this is back in I think it

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was 1946 wasn't it but when the and we

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do have a couple of questions that came

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in in regards to that but can you tell

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say there's someone listening that has

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never heard anything about ghost rockets

541
00:23:54,279 --> 00:23:50,690
can you talk about them as you said it

542
00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:54,289
was in 1946 it all started but you can

543
00:23:59,049 --> 00:23:56,809
still see them from time to time but

544
00:24:01,599 --> 00:23:59,059
30:46 was a very special year it was the

545
00:24:05,229 --> 00:24:01,609
year after the Second World War ended

546
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:05,239
and everyone knew about the v1 and

547
00:24:10,570 --> 00:24:07,850
they'd be two bombs that that Hitler and

548
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:10,580
Nazi Germany have created and suddenly

549
00:24:16,989 --> 00:24:14,690
in the beginning in 1946 change objects

550
00:24:19,899 --> 00:24:16,999
looking very very much like the V bombs

551
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:19,909
started to fly over Sweden Norway and

552
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:24,559
Finland and which was very strange so

553
00:24:29,860 --> 00:24:28,090
as they crashed they crashed into lakes

554
00:24:32,110 --> 00:24:29,870
never on ground

555
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:32,120
buta crashed into lakes many many times

556
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:34,730
and people saw them around the legs they

557
00:24:39,850 --> 00:24:36,710
heard a splash they saw them in broad

558
00:24:42,580 --> 00:24:39,860
daylight and the military sent their

559
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:42,590
investigation teams to the lakes they

560
00:24:48,009 --> 00:24:45,110
combed them for weeks and weeks never

561
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:48,019
found anything except an indentation or

562
00:24:51,159 --> 00:24:49,970
something at the bottom of the lake and

563
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,169
I can see that

564
00:24:55,389 --> 00:24:53,600
stones were were thrown up onto the

565
00:24:59,619 --> 00:24:55,399
shore and I could see does something at

566
00:25:02,230 --> 00:24:59,629
impact in there but they put a very very

567
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:02,240
great effort into finding the solution

568
00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:05,600
of the ghost rockets more than 1,000

569
00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:08,600
observations but processed by the

570
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:12,169
military in 1946 but I never found a

571
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:14,809
solution and up until today it still

572
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:17,210
they're still coming you can still see

573
00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:19,129
them from time to time and they have

574
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,710
steel crashing into lakes which is very

575
00:25:25,629 --> 00:25:23,840
strange had a soul that's always

576
00:25:28,419 --> 00:25:25,639
fascinated me from the very first time I

577
00:25:33,070 --> 00:25:28,429
heard about this have you ever spoken to

578
00:25:41,109 --> 00:25:33,080
an actual eyewitness of one maybe what

579
00:25:43,989 --> 00:25:41,119
100 or something like that yeah I mean a

580
00:25:46,060 --> 00:25:43,999
lot of time trying to pin down the

581
00:25:49,149 --> 00:25:46,070
original observers and I started with

582
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:49,159
this in the early 1980s and they were

583
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:51,049
still alive of course many of them now

584
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:53,450
most of them are gone

585
00:25:59,109 --> 00:25:55,850
the most interesting story really

586
00:26:02,139 --> 00:25:59,119
happened in 1948 two years after when a

587
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:02,149
man was sitting at the shore of a small

588
00:26:07,389 --> 00:26:04,970
lake south of Stockholm in the middle of

589
00:26:09,820 --> 00:26:07,399
the day he heard and he saw a huge

590
00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:09,830
rocket like think I'm flying from the

591
00:26:16,869 --> 00:26:13,190
South navigating diving into the water

592
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:16,879
with a great water column 20 meters high

593
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:20,720
splashing up in the air he was not an

594
00:26:25,299 --> 00:26:23,690
ordinary witness he was the military the

595
00:26:27,810 --> 00:26:25,309
highest military in Sweden and

596
00:26:31,659 --> 00:26:27,820
commander-in-chief of the military Wow

597
00:26:34,269 --> 00:26:31,669
when he saw that he started a process I

598
00:26:36,430 --> 00:26:34,279
mean he started radar surveillance all

599
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,440
around Sweden he started an

600
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,480
investigation into the lake

601
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:40,640
and I read his diary you can see there

602
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:43,970
that he was very very puzzled and they

603
00:26:49,030 --> 00:26:46,310
were combing the lake but it wasn't

604
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:49,040
George layer of mud and they decided it

605
00:26:54,670 --> 00:26:50,930
must have sunk down in the mud somewhere

606
00:26:58,180 --> 00:26:54,680
I never found it but the last entry in

607
00:27:02,020 --> 00:26:58,190
his diary says something found in the

608
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:02,030
lake divers will come tomorrow and then

609
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,480
nothing

610
00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:04,880
oh hey we don't what happened after that

611
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:08,630
oh my god Wow hey did any one of the

612
00:27:13,140 --> 00:27:10,250
witnesses that you talked to talked

613
00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:13,150
about any sound that these things made

614
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,830
they they could hear the sound from

615
00:27:20,530 --> 00:27:17,440
there and there were like airplanes

616
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,540
sometimes they were also chased by spawn

617
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:22,880
one Swedish fighter pilot at one time

618
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:26,090
but he was out flown all this ghost

619
00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:28,910
rocket so they could hear sound and I

620
00:27:34,510 --> 00:27:32,270
could see the Sun reflecting in the hull

621
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:34,520
I could see that there were no wings no

622
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:37,310
cockpit sometimes small wings but never

623
00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:39,410
a cockpit they were never seen any

624
00:27:46,090 --> 00:27:42,430
creatures together windows but there are

625
00:27:49,060 --> 00:27:46,100
observations later on with creatures as

626
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:49,070
well but not in 1946 Wow

627
00:27:53,050 --> 00:27:50,930
I do want to talk about that before we

628
00:27:56,020 --> 00:27:53,060
move out of this subject but one of the

629
00:27:58,330 --> 00:27:56,030
questions in the forum is is there

630
00:28:01,690 --> 00:27:58,340
anything new to report about locating

631
00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:01,700
what crashed or landed in Lake nama

632
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:04,270
sorry I can't pronounce that correctly

633
00:28:09,940 --> 00:28:07,490
but dude is that what you were just

634
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:09,950
talking about that particular no no

635
00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:13,250
that's another one like no my aura is in

636
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:16,100
the very north of Sweden and we went

637
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:21,890
there in 2012 and 2014 trying to locate

638
00:28:29,650 --> 00:28:26,690
this object because in 1982 people from

639
00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:29,660
Stockholm were hiking up in this area

640
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:34,360
and suddenly it's 11 o'clock in the

641
00:28:37,690 --> 00:28:37,130
middle of the day great day in the

642
00:28:40,150 --> 00:28:37,700
middle of summer

643
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:40,160
they heard the sound from something

644
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:42,170
flying in the air tell me from the South

645
00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:45,410
flying over them and they can see an

646
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:48,380
elongated shape with the small wings

647
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:52,130
maybe less than 100 meters of other

648
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:55,760
Wow you know out over the lake turned

649
00:29:01,690 --> 00:28:59,840
around 180 degrees flew back towards

650
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:01,700
them and they were very scared he was

651
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:03,710
the middle of the Cold War and they

652
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:06,110
thought this for something Russian and

653
00:29:12,340 --> 00:29:08,450
they thought something will hit us but

654
00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:12,350
it landed on the on the on the lake with

655
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:15,950
a splash like that and they could see it

656
00:29:21,310 --> 00:29:17,690
was sinking and the bubbles coming up

657
00:29:23,050 --> 00:29:21,320
from and there at object we are trying

658
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:23,060
to locate this was reported to the

659
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:25,490
military at the time and they couldn't

660
00:29:31,060 --> 00:29:28,730
find it so we went back with the witness

661
00:29:33,270 --> 00:29:31,070
and they pointed where it was and we

662
00:29:37,060 --> 00:29:33,280
made his sooner map of all of the lake

663
00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:37,070
but as I told you in 1948 the

664
00:29:41,620 --> 00:29:37,790
commander-in-chief

665
00:29:45,340 --> 00:29:41,630
it was month for meters of mud so we had

666
00:29:47,410 --> 00:29:45,350
to go back again in in 2014 with another

667
00:29:51,130 --> 00:29:47,420
equipment that could see it through the

668
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:51,140
mud and suddenly because some very

669
00:29:57,310 --> 00:29:54,110
interesting radar returns and now we are

670
00:29:59,260 --> 00:29:57,320
going back again to try to take a real

671
00:30:03,180 --> 00:29:59,270
good look at the radar returns it should

672
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:03,190
be in this winter we go on ice with snow

673
00:30:10,270 --> 00:30:06,710
monster lives trying to see through the

674
00:30:12,250 --> 00:30:10,280
ice and looking down on these exact

675
00:30:13,060 --> 00:30:12,260
spots where those returns were were

676
00:30:16,930 --> 00:30:13,070
coming from

677
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:16,940
Wow now how deep is the lake at that

678
00:30:23,890 --> 00:30:20,720
point it's very shallow it's only for me

679
00:30:27,130 --> 00:30:23,900
Wow 12 feet Wow something like 12 feet

680
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:27,140
yeah there's nothing really it's a it's

681
00:30:32,050 --> 00:30:29,210
not a problem in that respect at all but

682
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:32,060
in the middle of nowhere and and you

683
00:30:36,910 --> 00:30:34,310
cannot go there easily because you have

684
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:36,920
to have permits and you were not you

685
00:30:40,990 --> 00:30:38,450
cannot fly there if you don't have

686
00:30:44,530 --> 00:30:41,000
permits it takes a lot of time to get

687
00:30:47,230 --> 00:30:44,540
those we have those permits we can do

688
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:47,240
this but we can't we cannot bring

689
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:49,760
anything out of this part it's a natural

690
00:30:54,550 --> 00:30:52,640
part everything that in there must stay

691
00:30:57,340 --> 00:30:54,560
there so if you find this stuff

692
00:30:58,990 --> 00:30:57,350
somewhere else maybe the military or the

693
00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:59,000
government in some respect

694
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:02,240
my uncle's the government what must what

695
00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:06,080
they help us to bring help you yes

696
00:31:10,390 --> 00:31:08,150
yeah well that would be nice if they

697
00:31:11,710 --> 00:31:10,400
would because it would cost an awful lot

698
00:31:15,610 --> 00:31:11,720
of money to get something up from the

699
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:15,620
bottom yeah Wow

700
00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:18,410
so what would you consider I mean the

701
00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:20,750
case you talked about where this thing

702
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:22,940
or this one I guess where it flew back

703
00:31:27,420 --> 00:31:25,490
and forth and everything it's just

704
00:31:29,890 --> 00:31:27,430
fascinating what are some of the

705
00:31:32,890 --> 00:31:29,900
hypotheses that people are coming up

706
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:32,900
with what these things might be if they

707
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,510
weren't you know from another planet

708
00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:38,240
what if they were man-made what on earth

709
00:31:42,910 --> 00:31:42,260
would they be it's really a good

710
00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:42,920
question

711
00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:44,990
yeah I mean I mean I mean on top of this

712
00:31:51,490 --> 00:31:48,740
since 1980 in the early 1980s and I have

713
00:31:54,250 --> 00:31:51,500
no idea what they could be coming from

714
00:31:57,070 --> 00:31:54,260
or made or because the observations are

715
00:31:59,200 --> 00:31:57,080
very very good there are hundreds and

716
00:32:01,360 --> 00:31:59,210
hundreds of observers sometimes there

717
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:01,370
are even hundred people around one lage

718
00:32:05,710 --> 00:32:02,210
Wow

719
00:32:09,270 --> 00:32:05,720
seeing these crashing down but nothing

720
00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:09,280
is found I mean there was a V bomb in

721
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:11,960
1944 that crashed in the south of Sweden

722
00:32:18,250 --> 00:32:14,690
there was two thousand two hundred kilos

723
00:32:23,070 --> 00:32:18,260
took on two tons of debris after that

724
00:32:25,930 --> 00:32:23,080
one and here nothing nothing at all I

725
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:25,940
don't know this is an enigma to me this

726
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,770
is one of the great issue of apostles I

727
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:29,200
can think of really this is something

728
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:34,490
that really is hardware but you cannot

729
00:32:43,630 --> 00:32:40,490
find you trace of it yeah that that that

730
00:32:46,750 --> 00:32:43,640
is something that makes me think of when

731
00:32:49,150 --> 00:32:46,760
something disappears I always think of

732
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:49,160
the possibility of interdimensional but

733
00:32:52,660 --> 00:32:51,050
that you know every time I say that

734
00:32:55,630 --> 00:32:52,670
people think I'm stretching it a little

735
00:32:57,070 --> 00:32:55,640
too far and I have no idea but you know

736
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,080
you just makes you wonder when there are

737
00:33:01,660 --> 00:32:59,360
no answers for something plain

738
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:01,670
disappearing you know what the heck it

739
00:33:08,110 --> 00:33:04,390
could be and why would it go into a lake

740
00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:08,120
lake me after lake they were looking for

741
00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:10,340
legs I mean you can see that they really

742
00:33:16,330 --> 00:33:13,460
wanted to go into lakes because they

743
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:16,340
wanted to to hide probably yeah in

744
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:19,130
degrees what I and how could they do

745
00:33:23,139 --> 00:33:19,820
that

746
00:33:25,289 --> 00:33:23,149
and in yeah it's not an easy thing to

747
00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:25,299
understand 1946 the Swedish military

748
00:33:36,009 --> 00:33:29,590
speculated that they were TV monitor and

749
00:33:39,460 --> 00:33:36,019
atomic energy also they were very very

750
00:33:41,529 --> 00:33:39,470
high texting TV atomic engine nuclear

751
00:33:45,639 --> 00:33:41,539
power that was the thoughts that had in

752
00:33:50,619 --> 00:33:45,649
1946 1946 while they came up with that

753
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:50,629
and has any of them ever crashed into

754
00:33:56,249 --> 00:33:54,169
the ocean is their coastal anywhere near

755
00:34:01,149 --> 00:33:56,259
any coastal areas where they've crashed

756
00:34:04,719 --> 00:34:01,159
no no no only on land legs you know the

757
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:04,729
water up low and how about any of that

758
00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:07,609
ever been reported that people thought

759
00:34:13,389 --> 00:34:11,059
may have landed on the ground there are

760
00:34:15,940 --> 00:34:13,399
no such reported on people who have seen

761
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:15,950
in them vanishing behind the forest and

762
00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:17,839
thought maybe they were hitting the

763
00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:19,849
ground but they're also lakes behind the

764
00:34:24,460 --> 00:34:22,700
forest you never know really and I mean

765
00:34:26,289 --> 00:34:24,470
people have been out in the woods trying

766
00:34:28,690 --> 00:34:26,299
to locate those things but they never

767
00:34:30,250 --> 00:34:28,700
found anything have they ever seen them

768
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:30,260
at night or as it always daylight

769
00:34:35,770 --> 00:34:33,679
sightings oh there were lots over or

770
00:34:37,419 --> 00:34:35,780
nighttime psyches as well but most of

771
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:37,429
them were probably meteors or other

772
00:34:43,329 --> 00:34:40,639
stuff not very interesting really but

773
00:34:46,270 --> 00:34:43,339
there were hundreds of daylight psychics

774
00:34:49,629 --> 00:34:46,280
and as I told you before one Swedish

775
00:34:52,299 --> 00:34:49,639
fighter pilot tried to to get in contact

776
00:34:54,339 --> 00:34:52,309
really we one of those rockets but he

777
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:54,349
was out flown by it and he saw it and

778
00:34:59,710 --> 00:34:56,569
his navigator saw it for a couple of

779
00:35:03,280 --> 00:34:59,720
minutes they lost it has anyone ever

780
00:35:05,859 --> 00:35:03,290
tried to take a picture of one that's

781
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:05,869
only one picture published and that

782
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,730
picture which was published in many

783
00:35:12,370 --> 00:35:09,520
newspapers around the world at the time

784
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:12,380
turned out to be a daylight meteor which

785
00:35:19,450 --> 00:35:15,440
is very very scores as well it's a it's

786
00:35:22,539 --> 00:35:19,460
not a very common phenomenon and they

787
00:35:24,730 --> 00:35:22,549
happen to take a picture at the time as

788
00:35:29,799 --> 00:35:24,740
this meteor entered the Earth's

789
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:29,809
atmosphere they got it that's nice yeah

790
00:35:33,220 --> 00:35:30,890
yeah how about that

791
00:35:35,710 --> 00:35:33,230
now what about radar return

792
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:35,720
radar data is there any radar data on

793
00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:39,650
these yeah there are then they had some

794
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:41,900
very crude radar at that time that was

795
00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:43,310
looked very good right or equipment here

796
00:35:50,650 --> 00:35:47,030
in Sweden the British had a football

797
00:35:54,220 --> 00:35:50,660
team waiting 40 through it would cause

798
00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:54,230
task force behind one nine six they were

799
00:35:59,410 --> 00:35:56,270
waiting to come to Sweden to help out

800
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,420
with good radar equipment but the

801
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:01,040
Swedish Prime Minister decided

802
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:06,290
eventually to say no to it and we read a

803
00:36:11,050 --> 00:36:08,570
report informally secret report from

804
00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:11,060
from the British they were very very

805
00:36:14,859 --> 00:36:12,380
angry with the Prime Minister

806
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:14,869
they called him called him cowardly and

807
00:36:19,690 --> 00:36:17,210
stupid but they really wanted to come

808
00:36:21,849 --> 00:36:19,700
here to do that so there are some

809
00:36:23,950 --> 00:36:21,859
reports some radar returns but they are

810
00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:23,960
they are not conclusive really but they

811
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:25,640
you can read about them in the military

812
00:36:34,810 --> 00:36:33,050
reports Wow yes so our people still you

813
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:34,820
say people are still seeing these when

814
00:36:41,020 --> 00:36:37,970
is the last really good sighting that

815
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:41,030
you're aware of just a couple of years

816
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:43,280
ago very three or four years ago there

817
00:36:50,099 --> 00:36:45,010
was an observation up in the very north

818
00:36:54,490 --> 00:36:50,109
the lost really good crash was in 1999

819
00:36:57,970 --> 00:36:54,500
in the middle of Sweden seven people I

820
00:37:00,930 --> 00:36:57,980
met all of them did see around one lake

821
00:37:03,550 --> 00:37:00,940
from three different positions this

822
00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:03,560
Helen Garrity cigar-shaped craft coming

823
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,440
down crashing into the lake and the

824
00:37:12,130 --> 00:37:08,240
military came there and they worked for

825
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:12,140
weeks it was a secret operation it was

826
00:37:17,550 --> 00:37:14,690
called Operation Sea find but they never

827
00:37:20,349 --> 00:37:17,560
found anything nothing to see

828
00:37:23,290 --> 00:37:20,359
we were on top of this because it was

829
00:37:25,569 --> 00:37:23,300
specified but we got the names of the

830
00:37:26,980 --> 00:37:25,579
witnesses through the local police which

831
00:37:31,809 --> 00:37:26,990
the military had forgotten to tell

832
00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:31,819
people secrets so what did that wow

833
00:37:37,540 --> 00:37:34,940
that's great and I know that when I had

834
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:37,550
you on before you were saying that

835
00:37:44,349 --> 00:37:42,290
Sweden does not ridicule the UFO factor

836
00:37:45,590 --> 00:37:44,359
which i think is wonderful can you talk

837
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:45,600
about that

838
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:48,180
yeah it's very nice to be able to say

839
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:50,130
that because I've been doing in today's

840
00:37:56,780 --> 00:37:54,330
business since 1974 and in the 70s it

841
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,790
was not as easy as it is now well I

842
00:38:02,120 --> 00:37:58,800
think we were very much ridiculed at

843
00:38:04,850 --> 00:38:02,130
that time but during the 1980s to start

844
00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:04,860
we started to turn this around and when

845
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:08,940
I went to be chairman in in 1990 I was

846
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:12,240
very very keen on turning your Sweden

847
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:14,460
into a scientifically the oriented

848
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:19,170
organization and after that I can count

849
00:38:23,570 --> 00:38:20,730
all the times we have been ridiculed on

850
00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:23,580
my one hand you know it's a it never

851
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:25,830
happens because we don't speculate we

852
00:38:32,830 --> 00:38:28,440
tell people and journalists what we do

853
00:38:34,460 --> 00:38:32,840
how we do it and what our results are

854
00:38:38,330 --> 00:38:34,470
that's wonderful

855
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:38,340
we we have here and it's an unknown and

856
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:40,050
they understand that we are dealing with

857
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:42,210
an unknown and we have looked all the

858
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,610
answers that I think that the key to all

859
00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:46,560
of this you have the answers you're more

860
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:49,020
like a count or something like that

861
00:38:53,870 --> 00:38:51,330
I mean you should be very open minded

862
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,880
yes you are I mean you know listening to

863
00:38:58,250 --> 00:38:55,440
you from the beginning here I mean you

864
00:39:00,740 --> 00:38:58,260
are really looking into UFOs the right

865
00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:00,750
way that's UFOs trying to find a

866
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:04,500
solution yeah I think you know I think

867
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:08,400
what the skeptics or the bunkers I

868
00:39:13,540 --> 00:39:11,010
should say either one really jump on is

869
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:13,550
when people go right to the et

870
00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:17,760
explanation right off the bat without or

871
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:19,560
claiming anything once you claim

872
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:23,040
anything when it's unidentified you know

873
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:25,260
you're you're gonna get yourself really

874
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:28,710
killed there I think very big disservice

875
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:31,650
by doing that and I mean I worked quite

876
00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:33,450
closely with the the skeptics here in

877
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:36,060
Sweden I even give lectures for them and

878
00:39:42,740 --> 00:39:38,760
I'm also asked by them to give lectures

879
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:42,750
on their behalf I mean we are not doing

880
00:39:47,540 --> 00:39:44,690
the same thing at all really but we are

881
00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:47,550
doing this thing with with a scientific

882
00:39:52,610 --> 00:39:50,670
instrument that we can we must work with

883
00:39:55,490 --> 00:39:52,620
a scientific instrument and we must work

884
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:55,500
as scientists as much as we can and that

885
00:39:59,460 --> 00:39:58,680
is the also key to being treated the way

886
00:40:02,520 --> 00:39:59,470
we are

887
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:02,530
mmm-hmm now when you say using science

888
00:40:09,540 --> 00:40:05,890
or instruments what type of what type of

889
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:09,550
instruments are you talking about we are

890
00:40:13,470 --> 00:40:11,410
talking about when it comes to the close

891
00:40:16,050 --> 00:40:13,480
rockets I mean like doing up to namah

892
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:16,060
yarder with solos and radar

893
00:40:21,060 --> 00:40:17,920
ground-penetrating radar

894
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:21,070
things like that oh I see that that we

895
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:25,450
do but we also do statistics and look at

896
00:40:31,830 --> 00:40:28,450
the reports we we are dealing with I

897
00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:31,840
mean we got 350 400 plus reports every

898
00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:34,780
year to your fou Sweden and we are

899
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:35,230
trying

900
00:40:41,790 --> 00:40:37,930
mystics of them we did a very

901
00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:41,800
interesting thing in 2002 for seven and

902
00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:44,460
15 we went out around Sweden

903
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:49,390
interviewing around 1,500 people look in

904
00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:51,910
that board asking them have you

905
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:54,580
experienced anything unusual in the sky

906
00:40:59,130 --> 00:40:57,010
have you been watching something you

907
00:41:03,900 --> 00:40:59,140
didn't didn't understand at the time and

908
00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:03,910
it turned out that one in ten had to 10%

909
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:06,520
of the Swedish populations have done

910
00:41:13,859 --> 00:41:09,910
that and nearly not any one of those

911
00:41:17,070 --> 00:41:13,869
Mornington had reported this to us haha

912
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:17,080
to the Proteas to anyone there are a

913
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:19,690
vast amount of observations out there in

914
00:41:24,839 --> 00:41:22,930
the u.s. in every country never reported

915
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:24,849
because people don't know where to

916
00:41:29,940 --> 00:41:27,250
report it or they don't want to report

917
00:41:32,310 --> 00:41:29,950
it absolutely and I can talk my own

918
00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:32,320
sighting I didn't report because I had I

919
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:34,270
never even thought to look online this

920
00:41:40,410 --> 00:41:38,290
is in 2006 never even thought to even

921
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:40,420
look online for anything so I called up

922
00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:43,450
local police station and was basically

923
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:45,880
dealing with the sarcastic dispatcher

924
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,640
and kind of gave up and I never even

925
00:41:52,170 --> 00:41:50,560
thought about reporting and I'm from

926
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:52,180
what I've been told someone told me I

927
00:41:57,540 --> 00:41:55,119
could still report it so I guess they

928
00:41:59,070 --> 00:41:57,550
still could although you know at this

929
00:42:00,900 --> 00:41:59,080
point I wouldn't even remember the date

930
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:00,910
or anything I could probably figure that

931
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:05,290
out but so along those lines someone

932
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:09,010
wanted me to ask you this I know we're

933
00:42:11,609 --> 00:42:10,450
getting away from the ghost rockets I

934
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:11,619
don't know if there's anything else you

935
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,430
can add to the

936
00:42:16,170 --> 00:42:14,800
those Rockets but like I said that's

937
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:16,180
always what been one of my favorite

938
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:19,510
topics so before I move on is there

939
00:42:24,530 --> 00:42:21,610
anything else about the ghost Rockets

940
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:24,540
you'd like to close that subject with

941
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,040
yeah maybe one thing you asked me about

942
00:42:32,340 --> 00:42:28,960
pictures before yeah and they're really

943
00:42:36,060 --> 00:42:32,350
or another the film the film was taken

944
00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:36,070
in 1946 really it sounds really exciting

945
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:39,640
doesn't it yes because there was a man

946
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,330
who was head of a company photographic

947
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:45,760
company in Sweden in the Gothenburg he

948
00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:48,180
had a very very lost

949
00:42:54,270 --> 00:42:51,070
film camera with him it was a brand new

950
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:54,280
color film camera and we're traveling to

951
00:42:58,590 --> 00:42:56,050
Stockholm he was travelling with friends

952
00:43:01,380 --> 00:42:58,600
and I stopped south of lordship look

953
00:43:03,420 --> 00:43:01,390
north of Lord shipping in Sweden and

954
00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:03,430
when they were there he mounted this

955
00:43:08,850 --> 00:43:05,800
camera on a tripod and started to film

956
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:08,860
the scenery suddenly one of his friends

957
00:43:11,010 --> 00:43:10,570
pointed up in the sky and said look

958
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:11,020
there

959
00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:14,350
what's that and he turned the camera to

960
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:15,790
rewards this object it was a

961
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:18,930
cigar-shaped object flying to the cloud

962
00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:22,330
and he can cut out a cloud and out of

963
00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:23,950
that cloud and he followed it all the

964
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:26,830
way until it disappeared and I

965
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:29,170
interviewed this guy many years later he

966
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:32,170
went to Stockholm call the military and

967
00:43:41,850 --> 00:43:40,330
their foreign interest type developed by

968
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:41,860
tea together with his friends they were

969
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:44,610
interviewed of course who sit in this

970
00:43:52,590 --> 00:43:48,730
this rule with a torch and maybe 20

971
00:43:56,490 --> 00:43:52,600
officers and the field was shown to them

972
00:44:00,800 --> 00:43:56,500
it was blank was nothing because he had

973
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:00,810
changed the Natale to telephoto lens

974
00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:04,930
lens and he forgot to to adjust for the

975
00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:07,990
light because all overexposed how they

976
00:44:12,750 --> 00:44:10,030
could see not how that is horrible

977
00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:12,760
she had been thinking of this every day

978
00:44:16,830 --> 00:44:14,830
of his life he told me every day of his

979
00:44:20,940 --> 00:44:16,840
life of the 1946

980
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:20,950
have been thinking about ah you know a

981
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:24,880
lot of times you know the topic will

982
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:26,170
come up while there's several

983
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:28,450
has a iPhone camera on them or you know

984
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:30,670
cell phone camera why aren't there more

985
00:44:35,970 --> 00:44:33,730
really good videos of UFOs and and I got

986
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:35,980
to tell you when I when I had my

987
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:39,280
sighting as brief as it was I never even

988
00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:40,960
would have thought of a camera or

989
00:44:44,370 --> 00:44:42,790
anything I was just like in the moment

990
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:44,380
trying to figure out what the heck was

991
00:44:49,590 --> 00:44:47,310
going on and I don't know I don't know

992
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:49,600
you know I've talked to Ray Stanford

993
00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:51,910
he's he always has a camera ready he

994
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:55,870
always has for you know since the 1960s

995
00:45:02,280 --> 00:44:59,680
but I just I I of course now I think I'd

996
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:02,290
be more apt to do that but you know when

997
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:03,970
I first had that sighting of the camera

998
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:06,730
wasn't even something I thought of in

999
00:45:12,780 --> 00:45:09,610
the forum someone said they wanted to

1000
00:45:14,490 --> 00:45:12,790
know if you would talk about the UFO

1001
00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:14,500
sighting that you and your wife had back

1002
00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:19,980
in 1995 yeah yeah November the feast

1003
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:24,550
yeah I mean I've seen a couple of things

1004
00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:26,770
but this is really the most strange

1005
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:30,550
thing I ever saw and I'm not out looking

1006
00:45:35,250 --> 00:45:33,250
for UFOs but I've been out hundreds and

1007
00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:35,260
hundreds of hours looking at the Stars

1008
00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:37,780
with my telescope or binoculars with my

1009
00:45:44,190 --> 00:45:41,950
naked eye but this time it is location

1010
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:44,200
in November we were traveling from the

1011
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:47,770
north of Stockholm to our house here in

1012
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:50,250
the outside of Kyoto Stockholm and

1013
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,210
coming into this area I live was one

1014
00:46:00,330 --> 00:45:57,760
o'clock in the night I saw a couple of

1015
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,340
person standing waiting for the last bus

1016
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:03,040
and one of them were pointing up in the

1017
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:05,410
sky like this and the other one was

1018
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:06,090
looking

1019
00:46:10,830 --> 00:46:08,650
so I also my wife she could take a look

1020
00:46:12,930 --> 00:46:10,840
if she could see anything so she leaned

1021
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:12,940
forward and took a look out the window

1022
00:46:17,790 --> 00:46:15,760
of the car but is she said it just ours

1023
00:46:20,430 --> 00:46:17,800
is a wonderful life I can see lots of

1024
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:20,440
stars but nothing else so we continue

1025
00:46:25,650 --> 00:46:22,210
and we have pasta Geist's at that time

1026
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:25,660
and parked our car maybe two minutes

1027
00:46:31,890 --> 00:46:28,450
later and we went out to the car and and

1028
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:31,900
we stood by our house and looked around

1029
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:33,880
at the sky trying to figure out what

1030
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,610
they were really looking at I think we

1031
00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:38,800
we stood there for a minute maybe and

1032
00:46:43,290 --> 00:46:39,300
then

1033
00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:43,300
suddenly just onto the darkness right

1034
00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:47,070
say 40 degrees up in the sky three

1035
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:50,350
illuminated cross crosses like this came

1036
00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:53,050
flying like each other

1037
00:46:58,260 --> 00:46:56,470
flying over us and we saw them both of

1038
00:47:00,300 --> 00:46:58,270
us and they flew over us and they

1039
00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:00,310
vanished behind our neighbor's house and

1040
00:47:08,070 --> 00:47:03,070
I ran around the corner and I saw them

1041
00:47:10,350 --> 00:47:08,080
flying for maybe ten seconds more and

1042
00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:10,360
after that of course at that time I was

1043
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:12,340
ahead of you for Sweden we went inside

1044
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:15,850
and we didn't talk about this I gave a

1045
00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:19,330
reform and I before myself we set

1046
00:47:24,420 --> 00:47:22,150
intuitive into different rooms and we

1047
00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:24,430
filled out this form made it drawings

1048
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:26,140
because of all the questions and after

1049
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:28,170
that we compared and I put an

1050
00:47:32,490 --> 00:47:30,850
investigator to try to find the answer

1051
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:32,500
but we never never did

1052
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:35,680
Wow now I want you to talk about what

1053
00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:39,490
you did was very important and a couple

1054
00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:41,140
of different ways first of all you

1055
00:47:46,350 --> 00:47:44,230
didn't have a conversation with the same

1056
00:47:48,090 --> 00:47:46,360
person that witness it and you did

1057
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,100
something immediately those two things

1058
00:47:53,070 --> 00:47:51,280
are very important I think when it comes

1059
00:47:55,860 --> 00:47:53,080
to a sighting wouldn't you agree about

1060
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:55,870
that absolutely absolutely and look at

1061
00:48:04,080 --> 00:47:57,850
we looked at the watch of course and

1062
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:04,090
took the exact time but that is the most

1063
00:48:09,810 --> 00:48:06,310
important thing and what is very much

1064
00:48:11,490 --> 00:48:09,820
interesting and yet gives us some sort

1065
00:48:15,210 --> 00:48:11,500
of feeling about the UFO mystery I think

1066
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:15,220
I didn't say anything about this four or

1067
00:48:20,310 --> 00:48:18,490
maybe a year or two not even to my

1068
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:20,320
clothes that you have on friends this

1069
00:48:26,310 --> 00:48:23,410
was too strange for suit change but then

1070
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:26,320
I did I talked about it and in in the

1071
00:48:30,660 --> 00:48:28,420
radio interview I gave a couple of years

1072
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:30,670
after that I told about the experience

1073
00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:33,970
and a listener called in and said my

1074
00:48:40,170 --> 00:48:36,760
mother saw something like this in 1930s

1075
00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:40,180
so I called her and she had seen some

1076
00:48:44,970 --> 00:48:42,460
very very strange stuff because she was

1077
00:48:47,070 --> 00:48:44,980
just a little girl at that time maybe 14

1078
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:47,080
or 15 years of age he was waiting for

1079
00:48:51,810 --> 00:48:49,690
her mother outside the house and it was

1080
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:51,820
a middle of the day and suddenly she saw

1081
00:48:56,429 --> 00:48:53,049
on the road

1082
00:48:59,039 --> 00:48:56,439
hundred meters from her three crosses

1083
00:49:02,359 --> 00:48:59,049
came out of nowhere

1084
00:49:05,849 --> 00:49:02,369
on the road for five seconds then

1085
00:49:08,189 --> 00:49:05,859
vanishing into thin air I just was there

1086
00:49:10,739 --> 00:49:08,199
they were there for just a couple of

1087
00:49:13,769 --> 00:49:10,749
seconds and then went away three crosses

1088
00:49:17,130 --> 00:49:13,779
but not up in the sky down down on the

1089
00:49:20,489 --> 00:49:17,140
road that is really amazing so had you

1090
00:49:22,620 --> 00:49:20,499
heard of besides that other one sighting

1091
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:22,630
have you ever heard of anyone talking

1092
00:49:28,739 --> 00:49:26,079
about crosses other than that oh it's

1093
00:49:30,299 --> 00:49:28,749
very very very very score some I'm not

1094
00:49:32,279 --> 00:49:30,309
aware of anyone seeing at least three

1095
00:49:35,249 --> 00:49:32,289
crosses like this if you look back in

1096
00:49:37,919 --> 00:49:35,259
the 13-14 1500s you can read about

1097
00:49:39,659 --> 00:49:37,929
crosses in the sky quite often but most

1098
00:49:41,579 --> 00:49:39,669
of the time they have seen something to

1099
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,589
do with the Sun some halo phenomena or

1100
00:49:47,219 --> 00:49:43,359
something like that the crosses in the

1101
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:47,229
sky was really something that people who

1102
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:52,569
had very deep beliefs could see nowadays

1103
00:49:59,279 --> 00:49:56,529
what is these crosses yeah I personally

1104
00:50:01,769 --> 00:49:59,289
think I've said this before in this show

1105
00:50:04,949 --> 00:50:01,779
that sometimes I think the weirdest

1106
00:50:07,439 --> 00:50:04,959
sightings are are some of the best

1107
00:50:11,099 --> 00:50:07,449
sightings because they're so unusual

1108
00:50:13,859 --> 00:50:11,109
it's almost like it can't be made up you

1109
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:13,869
know that's right I mean absolutely

1110
00:50:17,549 --> 00:50:16,209
agree with you I mean why tell a story

1111
00:50:19,319 --> 00:50:17,559
that is so bizarre

1112
00:50:23,549 --> 00:50:19,329
that don't Amy your wife or children

1113
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:23,559
will believe you why yeah yeah and I've

1114
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:25,089
heard some being on the show I've heard

1115
00:50:30,779 --> 00:50:28,380
some weird ones enough a friend of mine

1116
00:50:33,659 --> 00:50:30,789
told the story a number of times on the

1117
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:33,669
Antiques Roadshow which is a popular

1118
00:50:39,629 --> 00:50:35,649
show here I mean in the United States

1119
00:50:42,779 --> 00:50:39,639
not here in Russia but and he actually

1120
00:50:44,729 --> 00:50:42,789
saw this box thing it was a box shaped

1121
00:50:47,189 --> 00:50:44,739
thing and then he saw it explode into

1122
00:50:53,279 --> 00:50:47,199
five lights and then the lights did like

1123
00:50:56,339 --> 00:50:53,289
a formation and a fighter jet came after

1124
00:50:58,919 --> 00:50:56,349
it it disappeared but I mean you just

1125
00:51:01,080 --> 00:50:58,929
hear these weird weird sightings I love

1126
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:01,090
him I actually love him

1127
00:51:06,990 --> 00:51:04,930
yeah those high strangeness cases are

1128
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:07,000
not often mentioned when you're writing

1129
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:09,450
UFO books or if you're giving speeches

1130
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:12,250
you're trying to make your speech or

1131
00:51:19,050 --> 00:51:16,510
your book as comprehensive and and as as

1132
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:19,060
you are really understanding the

1133
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:22,450
phenomenon but I could say after more

1134
00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:24,730
than 40 years in this business that I do

1135
00:51:29,490 --> 00:51:26,260
not understand it because it's so

1136
00:51:33,540 --> 00:51:29,500
diverse I wrote a book a couple of years

1137
00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:33,550
ago about 1 100 years of UFO sightings

1138
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:36,550
over Sweden which I have investigated in

1139
00:51:41,820 --> 00:51:39,730
some respects all of them and you can

1140
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:41,830
find observations that there there are

1141
00:51:50,010 --> 00:51:46,690
locked handily fitting in into the usual

1142
00:51:52,380 --> 00:51:50,020
et concept at all I just strange they

1143
00:51:56,130 --> 00:51:52,390
are as real as anything you can read in

1144
00:52:02,040 --> 00:51:56,140
another book now what are you familiar

1145
00:52:04,590 --> 00:52:02,050
with the very unusual sighting word this

1146
00:52:07,110 --> 00:52:04,600
guy was on his horse cart and this thing

1147
00:52:09,690 --> 00:52:07,120
came down in a field and did you ever

1148
00:52:11,820 --> 00:52:09,700
hear that one it was do you know which

1149
00:52:13,590 --> 00:52:11,830
one I'm talking about and he went up men

1150
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:13,600
who were birds inside of itch and all

1151
00:52:22,590 --> 00:52:16,170
that did you ever hear this story

1152
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:22,600
this is some it was I think was in the

1153
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:28,200
70s I believe it was in the 70s yes

1154
00:52:32,310 --> 00:52:31,090
you're talking about it wasn't did

1155
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:32,320
something in Poland

1156
00:52:38,070 --> 00:52:34,450
oh ok yes it was Poland okay I was think

1157
00:52:39,420 --> 00:52:38,080
it was the Netherlands okay so yeah but

1158
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:39,430
that is that was another real

1159
00:52:49,770 --> 00:52:45,250
fascinating very bizarre case I mean I'm

1160
00:52:54,330 --> 00:52:49,780
a member of the Magana Network it's a

1161
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:54,340
network of quite a few the corn of level

1162
00:53:00,720 --> 00:52:56,770
how did you follow this if you want but

1163
00:53:03,870 --> 00:53:00,730
they are combing the the old newspapers

1164
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:03,880
old magazines old books from the 1600s

1165
00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:09,490
and another tale 1946-47 there you can

1166
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:12,430
find fantastic your observations I mean

1167
00:53:17,099 --> 00:53:14,170
you can find things that

1168
00:53:18,569 --> 00:53:17,109
defy explanations today they are not

1169
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:18,579
talking about aliens of course they are

1170
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:22,480
not seeing the the popular et shape

1171
00:53:29,099 --> 00:53:25,119
alien they are seeing other things but

1172
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:29,109
they're experiencing UFO sightings in in

1173
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:32,079
their context were the early would when

1174
00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:34,480
they were living they didn't understand

1175
00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:36,670
it of course we don't understand what's

1176
00:53:41,970 --> 00:53:39,369
happening around us today it's been with

1177
00:53:43,319 --> 00:53:41,980
us for many many hundreds of years this

1178
00:53:47,069 --> 00:53:43,329
is fantastic

1179
00:53:48,809 --> 00:53:47,079
phenomenon yeah and I personally believe

1180
00:53:50,339 --> 00:53:48,819
they could be they could have been

1181
00:53:54,029 --> 00:53:50,349
coming here for millions of years it's

1182
00:53:56,490 --> 00:53:54,039
just the way civilizations line up could

1183
00:53:58,589 --> 00:53:56,500
be you know totally different on another

1184
00:54:02,759 --> 00:53:58,599
you know in another galaxy or you know

1185
00:54:06,569 --> 00:54:02,769
another solar system if they actually

1186
00:54:07,950 --> 00:54:06,579
are I mean they're still I'm not saying

1187
00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:07,960
for sure they are coming here because I

1188
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:09,190
have absolutely no idea

1189
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:13,119
so what it's all about

1190
00:54:19,499 --> 00:54:16,089
it's and I had a conversation with

1191
00:54:21,690 --> 00:54:19,509
Jacques Vallee when we're both checking

1192
00:54:24,450 --> 00:54:21,700
into the hotel out in Phoenix a couple

1193
00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:24,460
years ago and I said I think I've said

1194
00:54:29,370 --> 00:54:27,910
on the show that I do that maybe it's

1195
00:54:31,769 --> 00:54:29,380
something we haven't even thought of yet

1196
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:31,779
any kind of laughs knee says yeah you're

1197
00:54:38,999 --> 00:54:33,970
get you're getting it the idea of it or

1198
00:54:40,740 --> 00:54:39,009
something like that you know so and you

1199
00:54:42,660 --> 00:54:40,750
doing this for so long

1200
00:54:44,220 --> 00:54:42,670
is that how you feel you mean you do

1201
00:54:47,249 --> 00:54:44,230
feel like you know perhaps it's

1202
00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:47,259
something we haven't even had the idea

1203
00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:50,740
of how to explore yet or do you think it

1204
00:54:55,950 --> 00:54:54,430
yeah I think I don't think we have all

1205
00:54:59,460 --> 00:54:55,960
the answers now because we don't have

1206
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:59,470
the tools to to find them really and I

1207
00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:01,119
think we do not really understand the

1208
00:55:06,359 --> 00:55:04,180
human psyche you know because much of

1209
00:55:09,269 --> 00:55:06,369
this is connected to human beings in a

1210
00:55:11,999 --> 00:55:09,279
way that we we can see when we are

1211
00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:12,009
investigating UFO cases in Sweden it's

1212
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:13,720
very important to follow all the

1213
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:16,569
witnesses for many years you can learn

1214
00:55:22,529 --> 00:55:19,599
how they teach and what they believe

1215
00:55:25,769 --> 00:55:22,539
because not everything happens out there

1216
00:55:27,570 --> 00:55:25,779
very much so it happens in here as well

1217
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:27,580
see break

1218
00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:30,400
flex metal if you don't know really that

1219
00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:32,980
is happening in here can be something

1220
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:35,230
that is put in here from outside of

1221
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:37,570
course from someone else something else

1222
00:55:44,130 --> 00:55:40,720
some unknown unusual natural phenomenon

1223
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,140
or something completely different yes we

1224
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:47,200
are only scratching the surface and to

1225
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:49,090
say that we have also snow is really to

1226
00:55:53,790 --> 00:55:51,730
stretch it too far I think we have some

1227
00:55:56,970 --> 00:55:53,800
answers but they also we have all the

1228
00:55:59,330 --> 00:55:56,980
solutions of the misidentifications we

1229
00:56:03,770 --> 00:55:59,340
are finding all the time

1230
00:56:08,310 --> 00:56:03,780
now you had mentioned that another thing

1231
00:56:11,940 --> 00:56:08,320
that is or could be related is the high

1232
00:56:15,380 --> 00:56:11,950
strangeness the paranormal do you want

1233
00:56:18,090 --> 00:56:15,390
to talk about that yeah I think that's

1234
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:18,100
that's what makes me tick really when it

1235
00:56:25,230 --> 00:56:21,250
comes to UFOs is the strange cases that

1236
00:56:27,690 --> 00:56:25,240
or little beside the ordinary cases if

1237
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:27,700
there are any ordinary chases yeah when

1238
00:56:33,260 --> 00:56:30,250
accompanied with those I mean I

1239
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:33,270
interviewed a guy was 11 years of age in

1240
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:38,650
1947 in September 1947 he was walking

1241
00:56:45,540 --> 00:56:42,130
back home to his parents when suddenly

1242
00:56:49,620 --> 00:56:45,550
he saw some multicolored rings chanting

1243
00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:49,630
his stick in the ground I mean it was

1244
00:56:52,890 --> 00:56:51,190
impossible because the bubble would

1245
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:52,900
break if you do this but he did it

1246
00:56:59,520 --> 00:56:56,530
anyway and that come came another two of

1247
00:57:02,730 --> 00:56:59,530
those guys within the same bubbles after

1248
00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:02,740
him doing this ice and real David who

1249
00:57:05,490 --> 00:57:03,910
talked into each other that we're

1250
00:57:09,570 --> 00:57:05,500
communicating but he couldn't hear

1251
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:09,580
because sound seemed to be in capsule

1252
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:13,690
inside the bubble and they disappeared

1253
00:57:18,930 --> 00:57:15,850
after a minute or so they were they were

1254
00:57:23,250 --> 00:57:18,940
gone behind a bone a couple of hundred

1255
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:23,260
meters away and he went inside and first

1256
00:57:27,210 --> 00:57:24,720
he didn't tell anyone about this

1257
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:27,220
eventually it did and nobody believed

1258
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:29,710
him of course and now I mean couple of

1259
00:57:34,290 --> 00:57:32,290
years ago you hunky went to us hotel

1260
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:34,300
this story was a very very good person

1261
00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:38,250
for incredible man who told a very

1262
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:40,300
strange don't worry that we really

1263
00:57:43,290 --> 00:57:41,110
cannot

1264
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:43,300
is that what is this has this to do with

1265
00:57:49,380 --> 00:57:45,850
UFOs at all yes it was flying at least

1266
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,390
the decimator over the ground but it's

1267
00:57:54,690 --> 00:57:51,040
not really what you what you talk about

1268
00:57:56,460 --> 00:57:54,700
when you're dealing with with with UFOs

1269
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:56,470
I mean there are lots of things like

1270
00:58:02,820 --> 00:57:58,690
this I mean I talked to another guy who

1271
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:02,830
in the late 1940s his mother were out in

1272
00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:05,910
broad daylight in in the garden when

1273
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:08,920
cigar-shaped object like a ghost rocket

1274
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:10,930
but more like in a damn ski mothership

1275
00:58:18,690 --> 00:58:15,310
really came flies it was quite small but

1276
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:18,700
it had portholes on its side and it

1277
00:58:23,790 --> 00:58:21,280
passed him and came and passed her story

1278
00:58:27,290 --> 00:58:23,800
and came back and then she could see

1279
00:58:30,510 --> 00:58:27,300
into the portholes that were very ugly

1280
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:30,520
strange fearful old phone faces looking

1281
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:36,850
out at her Wow yep blew away she Wow so

1282
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:38,530
yeah I want to talk a little bit about

1283
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:44,050
the that because the cigar shaped things

1284
00:58:49,230 --> 00:58:46,930
seem to have portholes or there's been

1285
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:49,240
many accounts of that but going back to

1286
00:58:53,580 --> 00:58:51,310
the bubbles the people floating down in

1287
00:59:00,000 --> 00:58:53,590
bubbles those had to be time travelers

1288
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:00,010
don't you think yes I've told this story

1289
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:03,010
many a number of times on this show and

1290
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:06,970
I apologize to the to the avid listener

1291
00:59:13,710 --> 00:59:11,050
of my show but my friend's father here

1292
00:59:16,890 --> 00:59:13,720
in Russia and I found out it was only

1293
00:59:19,110 --> 00:59:16,900
about ten years ago had a cigar shaped

1294
00:59:22,350 --> 00:59:19,120
thing go through a mountain pass when he

1295
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:22,360
was going through this mountain pass all

1296
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:25,090
the cars stalled while this thing was

1297
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:27,210
going through they got out of the car

1298
00:59:30,570 --> 00:59:29,530
one lifted the hood and stuff like that

1299
00:59:32,850 --> 00:59:30,580
trying to figure out what's wrong with

1300
00:59:36,090 --> 00:59:32,860
the cars and this thing floated through

1301
00:59:38,580 --> 00:59:36,100
with portholes and you know they could

1302
00:59:40,020 --> 00:59:38,590
see all the the thing he was telling the

1303
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:40,030
story in Russian and was being

1304
00:59:43,830 --> 00:59:42,250
translated to me and it was just like he

1305
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:43,840
was telling a story of everyday life

1306
00:59:47,730 --> 00:59:45,970
he's not a person that's into UFOs or

1307
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:47,740
anything and then he said all of a

1308
00:59:50,940 --> 00:59:49,450
sudden everyone's cars you know they

1309
00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:50,950
could start and run and they all drove

1310
00:59:54,750 --> 00:59:53,350
away no one talked to anyone no one

1311
00:59:55,980 --> 00:59:54,760
talked to each other

1312
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:55,990
but that's I'm finding out in Russia

1313
01:00:04,350 --> 00:59:57,730
that's generally what happens no one

1314
01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:04,360
talks to each other oh yeah share 1993

1315
01:00:08,310 --> 01:00:06,190
and I met with lots of ufologist and

1316
01:00:11,790 --> 01:00:08,320
brought back your huge archive from

1317
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:11,800
Moscow at that time and it was a very

1318
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:14,890
very interesting to to see how the

1319
01:00:21,540 --> 01:00:17,410
Russians were dealing with UFOs at that

1320
01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:21,550
time 1993 was a very big interest they

1321
01:00:27,330 --> 01:00:23,800
published lots of UFO magazine today

1322
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:27,340
it's not that at all no really glossy

1323
01:00:32,130 --> 01:00:30,370
magazine about UFOs anymore

1324
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,140
and there are no really good youth

1325
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:34,720
organizations either something's happen

1326
01:00:37,850 --> 01:00:36,160
there they are more interested in the

1327
01:00:41,370 --> 01:00:37,860
paranormal now I think

1328
01:00:43,050 --> 01:00:41,380
UFOs really Wow yes I've tried to find

1329
01:00:45,390 --> 01:00:43,060
someone local here because there have

1330
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:45,400
been some sightings in this city I found

1331
01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:48,310
it online but I can't find anyone that

1332
01:00:54,750 --> 01:00:51,640
speaks good enough English to to be on

1333
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:54,760
the show that's unfortunate and I've

1334
01:00:59,550 --> 01:00:56,650
tried to work with people outside you

1335
01:01:00,960 --> 01:00:59,560
know Phil mantle and a few other people

1336
01:01:04,290 --> 01:01:00,970
trying to figure out if they could find

1337
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:04,300
someone here but that hasn't happened so

1338
01:01:09,090 --> 01:01:06,730
but just to let the listener know next

1339
01:01:10,350 --> 01:01:09,100
week Peter Robbins he's from the US he's

1340
01:01:12,930 --> 01:01:10,360
going to be on but we're gonna be

1341
01:01:14,730 --> 01:01:12,940
talking about Russian UFOs that that

1342
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:14,740
comes up next week

1343
01:01:20,460 --> 01:01:18,010
so you know they already know just

1344
01:01:24,650 --> 01:01:20,470
yesterday I was interviewed in with an

1345
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:24,660
energy with Russian TV and really in

1346
01:01:31,370 --> 01:01:26,250
Gramsci

1347
01:01:33,540 --> 01:01:31,380
it wasn't called or II and TV round TV

1348
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:33,550
I'm not sure really worried about where

1349
01:01:37,730 --> 01:01:35,290
they were located but it will be

1350
01:01:40,110 --> 01:01:37,740
broadcasted in a couple of weeks I think

1351
01:01:44,220 --> 01:01:40,120
so but they didn't seem that

1352
01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:44,230
knowledgeable to be honest about UFOs

1353
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:46,990
but they did make a regular UFO programs

1354
01:01:52,620 --> 01:01:51,130
and so you did you do I know you speak a

1355
01:01:56,460 --> 01:01:52,630
few languages did you speak in English

1356
01:02:00,600 --> 01:01:56,470
or English

1357
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:00,610
I don't do Russian so yeah yeah yeah wow

1358
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:04,000
that's interesting that's I would be

1359
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:05,770
interested to see what type of

1360
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:08,290
programming that is because you

1361
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:10,810
I can't seem to find anything here on

1362
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:15,490
that so so you bet you were here in 93

1363
01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:17,680
is that when you said you were here yeah

1364
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:19,750
yeah it was a very strange time because

1365
01:02:24,750 --> 01:02:23,050
it was the same day as the the tanks

1366
01:02:28,350 --> 01:02:24,760
rolled into Moscow and it's not to show

1367
01:02:30,450 --> 01:02:28,360
it at the White House so it was a very

1368
01:02:32,220 --> 01:02:30,460
strange atmosphere because we couldn't

1369
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:32,230
do exactly what we wanted people were

1370
01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:36,370
shooting in the streets and we were a

1371
01:02:39,860 --> 01:02:38,260
lot of military I'm a journalist so I

1372
01:02:42,750 --> 01:02:39,870
had worked for my newspaper at the time

1373
01:02:45,420 --> 01:02:42,760
but we were there trying to find

1374
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:45,430
material at the KGB archives and other

1375
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:49,210
stuff and we eventually but it was quite

1376
01:02:53,490 --> 01:02:51,850
problematic because sometimes the subway

1377
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:53,500
were shut down you couldn't walk out

1378
01:03:02,040 --> 01:02:55,570
that station which it was shooting

1379
01:03:04,170 --> 01:03:02,050
outside but we were returned to Moscow

1380
01:03:06,750 --> 01:03:04,180
again and think in a couple of years

1381
01:03:08,190 --> 01:03:06,760
maybe next year and and st. Petersburg I

1382
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:08,200
would not be cooler as well and to meet

1383
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:10,210
with you follow just yes I would love to

1384
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:11,890
go to definitely love to go to the st.

1385
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:14,050
Petersburg I mean does any of that air

1386
01:03:18,750 --> 01:03:17,440
at Georgia all that area all right so

1387
01:03:22,770 --> 01:03:18,760
one of the things we wanted to talk

1388
01:03:24,510 --> 01:03:22,780
about this evening is military now when

1389
01:03:27,030 --> 01:03:24,520
you were talking when we're talking

1390
01:03:30,450 --> 01:03:27,040
about military and UFOs are you talking

1391
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:30,460
about like like for instance what you

1392
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:33,090
said earlier they had a top-secret

1393
01:03:37,650 --> 01:03:35,680
program trying to whatever it was called

1394
01:03:42,450 --> 01:03:37,660
fine to sea or whatever you said it was

1395
01:03:43,710 --> 01:03:42,460
called people see fine yeah so so what

1396
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:43,720
is the military

1397
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:47,290
Sweden's military's attitude toward the

1398
01:03:53,940 --> 01:03:51,970
UFO topic well it started in the 1930s

1399
01:03:55,410 --> 01:03:53,950
with the ghost flyer I've never heard

1400
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:55,420
about the dog slide let's hear about

1401
01:04:02,070 --> 01:03:58,210
that what's the huge you have a wave in

1402
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:02,080
1933 in 1934 it was hundreds and

1403
01:04:07,350 --> 01:04:04,450
hundreds observations of lights in the

1404
01:04:10,860 --> 01:04:07,360
sky and over strange aircraft never

1405
01:04:14,130 --> 01:04:10,870
identified it they turned up again 1936

1406
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:14,140
1937 and I think I read every single

1407
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:15,730
report and every single newspaper

1408
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:19,210
article about this it was real mass

1409
01:04:24,750 --> 01:04:22,210
hysteria together with something

1410
01:04:27,090 --> 01:04:24,760
could be of interest as well but most of

1411
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:27,100
the things people saw were just Venus

1412
01:04:32,820 --> 01:04:29,770
and all that stuff the skeptic says that

1413
01:04:34,260 --> 01:04:32,830
people see but the military put great

1414
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:34,270
effort into this because they could see

1415
01:04:40,970 --> 01:04:37,930
those strange things flying over secret

1416
01:04:45,150 --> 01:04:40,980
military installations as well and in

1417
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:45,160
very harsh weather so int1 one guy who

1418
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:48,250
was up on a mountain outside one of

1419
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:52,330
those installations with his gun and ten

1420
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:55,210
of his comrades down in the bunker

1421
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,480
50 meters beneath him and when he heard

1422
01:05:01,470 --> 01:05:00,880
something he was to ring in the ring a

1423
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:01,480
bell

1424
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:03,730
and they will all come up running and

1425
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:05,920
shooting of this strange goes fly that

1426
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:06,610
was the plan

1427
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:08,890
but they never saw anything and they

1428
01:05:15,060 --> 01:05:11,530
never heard anything but many people did

1429
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:15,070
so in 1946 when this ghost rocket wave

1430
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:17,680
came around people and a military were a

1431
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:20,890
little prepared they they knew how to

1432
01:05:25,950 --> 01:05:24,490
deal with mass observations from strange

1433
01:05:28,410 --> 01:05:25,960
stuff in the sky

1434
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:28,420
so they started quite early with this

1435
01:05:34,050 --> 01:05:30,490
secret group that worked with this so

1436
01:05:36,300 --> 01:05:34,060
the night in the 1950s it was still a

1437
01:05:39,570 --> 01:05:36,310
very very big interest from the military

1438
01:05:43,860 --> 01:05:39,580
they had certain people earmark just to

1439
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:43,870
do UFO investigations up till 1965 when

1440
01:05:50,430 --> 01:05:45,850
they turned their files over to the

1441
01:05:55,260 --> 01:05:50,440
Defense Research Institute and after

1442
01:05:58,440 --> 01:05:55,270
that not so many good research world

1443
01:06:00,660 --> 01:05:58,450
were made really they merely merely took

1444
01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:00,670
care of the reports they looked into

1445
01:06:05,820 --> 01:06:03,070
some of them but they didn't really

1446
01:06:09,690 --> 01:06:05,830
spend time with them at that time so now

1447
01:06:11,580 --> 01:06:09,700
in the 19th 2000 there are not as big

1448
01:06:14,130 --> 01:06:11,590
interest from the military scientists it

1449
01:06:16,590 --> 01:06:14,140
was once they turning their reporting

1450
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:16,600
were to us now so if people are calling

1451
01:06:20,810 --> 01:06:18,430
them they will be transferred to you for

1452
01:06:25,340 --> 01:06:20,820
Sweden oh wow that's amazing

1453
01:06:29,220 --> 01:06:25,350
that's really great so is there

1454
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:29,230
something comparable to our the United

1455
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:31,810
States Freedom of Information Act as far

1456
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:35,440
as you know getting documents earlier

1457
01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:36,160
document

1458
01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:40,329
so are they just plain releasing them we

1459
01:06:47,069 --> 01:06:44,440
have the same the same laws you have but

1460
01:06:49,620 --> 01:06:47,079
a couple of years ago I asked the

1461
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:49,630
military if they could scan all their

1462
01:06:56,180 --> 01:06:52,480
files for us so they put a man to do

1463
01:06:58,650 --> 01:06:56,190
that 14 hot months they were earning and

1464
01:07:03,690 --> 01:06:58,660
eventually I got the one terabyte hard

1465
01:07:08,130 --> 01:07:03,700
drive with everything on it this was

1466
01:07:10,650 --> 01:07:08,140
good of course is that actually we have

1467
01:07:13,170 --> 01:07:10,660
very good connections we didn't sorry

1468
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:13,180
now is that something that is going to

1469
01:07:17,789 --> 01:07:15,250
be available on any of that going to be

1470
01:07:20,099 --> 01:07:17,799
available online at all or is it what is

1471
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:20,109
the laws they're like the problem is

1472
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:22,510
it's in Swedish of course but the ghost

1473
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:25,119
Rockets documents are also in Swedish

1474
01:07:30,180 --> 01:07:28,000
but some are translated into English

1475
01:07:33,390 --> 01:07:30,190
they are published on those Rockets dot

1476
01:07:37,049 --> 01:07:33,400
se or free you can go there and you can

1477
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:37,059
you can read at least 30% of it right

1478
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:39,010
now and you can help if you can read

1479
01:07:47,309 --> 01:07:41,920
Swedish and English help us to translate

1480
01:07:49,049 --> 01:07:47,319
more of it so I can really really say

1481
01:07:51,150 --> 01:07:49,059
that would be very great benefit for

1482
01:07:53,370 --> 01:07:51,160
this endeavor if we have more people

1483
01:07:57,630 --> 01:07:53,380
doing that so we can get everything out

1484
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:57,640
in English we will publish the Swedish

1485
01:08:01,980 --> 01:08:00,640
material in Swedish of course eventually

1486
01:08:05,460 --> 01:08:01,990
it as well but that will be probably

1487
01:08:07,799 --> 01:08:05,470
next year they trust us and we trust

1488
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:07,809
them and of course they don't tell us

1489
01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:09,730
everything we understand it's not so

1490
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:13,990
military significant material will never

1491
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:19,170
reach us we think it's a very good

1492
01:08:27,390 --> 01:08:24,670
neutral way to work I wish I wish our

1493
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:27,400
government would work in that in that

1494
01:08:35,249 --> 01:08:31,330
way with you know we I don't think you

1495
01:08:39,450 --> 01:08:35,259
know we have MUFON here but it sounds

1496
01:08:41,550 --> 01:08:39,460
like it sounds like your organization I

1497
01:08:44,849 --> 01:08:41,560
don't want to say is more organized but

1498
01:08:46,769 --> 01:08:44,859
it sounds you know MUFON has been going

1499
01:08:49,290 --> 01:08:46,779
through a little bit of a rough rough

1500
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:49,300
spot right now a little bit

1501
01:08:54,690 --> 01:08:52,000
but it sounds like you've been pretty

1502
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:54,700
steady on what you're doing there do you

1503
01:09:03,180 --> 01:08:57,250
also work with any other countries

1504
01:09:06,210 --> 01:09:03,190
I met with John whoreson in Brazil in

1505
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:06,220
December we were there giving talks for

1506
01:09:12,690 --> 01:09:09,370
both he and me we compared notes quite a

1507
01:09:14,930 --> 01:09:12,700
lot and they do things that we can't do

1508
01:09:16,860 --> 01:09:14,940
and we do things that they can't do

1509
01:09:18,570 --> 01:09:16,870
let's ensure they are good at many

1510
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:18,580
things we are good at other things but

1511
01:09:24,060 --> 01:09:20,650
as you say we are very stable within

1512
01:09:27,750 --> 01:09:24,070
stable for so many years with no

1513
01:09:31,410 --> 01:09:27,760
turbulence no no change in the top

1514
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:31,420
really and our our aim has been the same

1515
01:09:36,570 --> 01:09:34,570
since 1990 really and that's very very

1516
01:09:39,810 --> 01:09:36,580
good and we work together with so many

1517
01:09:43,100 --> 01:09:39,820
other countries especially through AFU

1518
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:43,110
to the archives but also to you freedom

1519
01:09:47,610 --> 01:09:46,570
so no I have lots of contacts with with

1520
01:09:51,390 --> 01:09:47,620
people all around the world

1521
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:51,400
yeah how much of the day did you say

1522
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:52,690
this takes a couple of hours every

1523
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:54,210
single day of your life

1524
01:10:00,420 --> 01:09:58,960
yeah wow that's real dedication really

1525
01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:00,430
is because I know where you have to put

1526
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:03,310
food on the table too and you know you

1527
01:10:10,890 --> 01:10:06,250
know work every one of us has to most of

1528
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:10,900
us have to work you know and I work

1529
01:10:16,530 --> 01:10:13,330
full-time at newspapers well I write one

1530
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:16,540
book every year I'm editor of the UFO

1531
01:10:22,410 --> 01:10:19,290
magazine and I gave lots of speeches and

1532
01:10:23,130 --> 01:10:22,420
lots of interviews and trying to do some

1533
01:10:25,890 --> 01:10:23,140
research

1534
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:25,900
yeah I keep myself busy but I'm old

1535
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:32,050
alone today as well that's good yeah so

1536
01:10:38,340 --> 01:10:35,410
when a report comes in can you explain

1537
01:10:40,710 --> 01:10:38,350
what what the steps are that you do

1538
01:10:43,650 --> 01:10:40,720
because I'm you know I most people are

1539
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:43,660
familiar with how MUFON works let's hear

1540
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:46,480
how your organization works when someone

1541
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:48,610
comes in what happens when someone

1542
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:51,690
contacts you okay anyway we work very

1543
01:10:56,460 --> 01:10:54,730
similar at the very beginning and we

1544
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:56,470
have a website you can report through as

1545
01:11:01,770 --> 01:11:00,880
MUFON does and when it's put there or

1546
01:11:05,580 --> 01:11:01,780
report

1547
01:11:07,950 --> 01:11:05,590
Center hey take care of it start an

1548
01:11:09,839 --> 01:11:07,960
investigation if it's not just a speck

1549
01:11:11,279 --> 01:11:09,849
of light in the sky of course but we

1550
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:11,289
also get reports through telephone

1551
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:13,510
through ordinary mail and of course

1552
01:11:21,629 --> 01:11:17,760
through Facebook which is the maybe well

1553
01:11:24,810 --> 01:11:21,639
we at least 25% of all reporting through

1554
01:11:29,310 --> 01:11:24,820
Facebook today I would say so after that

1555
01:11:34,609 --> 01:11:29,320
we dedicate a researcher to do the

1556
01:11:37,290 --> 01:11:34,619
investigation and he or she which we

1557
01:11:40,260 --> 01:11:37,300
educated the field trainee course every

1558
01:11:43,859 --> 01:11:40,270
year since 1977 I think it was we

1559
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:43,869
started will go out and meet with this

1560
01:11:49,410 --> 01:11:46,449
observer if it is a very interesting

1561
01:11:51,959 --> 01:11:49,420
report if it's not that interesting we

1562
01:11:55,229 --> 01:11:51,969
do telephone into you or or yeah you

1563
01:11:57,890 --> 01:11:55,239
know we have to decide really what would

1564
01:12:02,879 --> 01:11:57,900
they have for him and after all is done

1565
01:12:05,850 --> 01:12:02,889
this is presented before a group that

1566
01:12:08,669 --> 01:12:05,860
takes a closer look at the report and

1567
01:12:10,890 --> 01:12:08,679
says no this was not properly done you

1568
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:10,900
should do this you should do that or say

1569
01:12:15,390 --> 01:12:13,360
this is very good and it goes back to

1570
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:15,400
reason to the researcher and he or she

1571
01:12:23,149 --> 01:12:17,710
must do some some new stuff maybe and

1572
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:23,159
after that the most interesting cases or

1573
01:12:28,379 --> 01:12:26,530
evaluated by a group of scientists we

1574
01:12:30,629 --> 01:12:28,389
have psychologists we have physicist we

1575
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:30,639
have astronomers it takes a look at the

1576
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:33,520
very most interesting cases and gives

1577
01:12:40,410 --> 01:12:37,090
their benefit of experience so we can

1578
01:12:45,540 --> 01:12:40,420
get better so and after that you can say

1579
01:12:49,169 --> 01:12:45,550
we may have the UFO maybe in wow that is

1580
01:12:52,770 --> 01:12:49,179
that is really great the process that

1581
01:12:54,810 --> 01:12:52,780
that goes through would you have some

1582
01:12:57,419 --> 01:12:54,820
type of percentage that you would think

1583
01:13:01,950 --> 01:12:57,429
that makes it all the way through to the

1584
01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:01,960
end where it's still unexplained you

1585
01:13:07,290 --> 01:13:04,150
know most of the years we don't have a

1586
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:07,300
single you of them I think one or two a

1587
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:11,920
year maybe a very good year but on the

1588
01:13:15,639 --> 01:13:13,690
other hand it's a bad year because we

1589
01:13:20,739 --> 01:13:15,649
can't solve something

1590
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:20,749
we have real missed that we be better

1591
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,449
maybe we don't have all the facts but

1592
01:13:27,850 --> 01:13:25,360
there are some very very interesting

1593
01:13:30,939 --> 01:13:27,860
cases and I would like to mention one

1594
01:13:32,739 --> 01:13:30,949
yeah I just told you

1595
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:32,749
with all the scientists and everything

1596
01:13:41,139 --> 01:13:35,360
and we couldn't find a solution to it

1597
01:13:44,199 --> 01:13:41,149
it was in January the 7th 1995 I got a

1598
01:13:47,020 --> 01:13:44,209
letter from the observer and couple of

1599
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:47,030
years after that and I could meet with

1600
01:13:53,379 --> 01:13:50,449
with her at her house and she told me

1601
01:13:56,649 --> 01:13:53,389
that she was coming back home from from

1602
01:14:01,929 --> 01:13:56,659
work it was around 5:00 in the afternoon

1603
01:14:04,659 --> 01:14:01,939
and she had her husband a couple of 50

1604
01:14:07,509 --> 01:14:04,669
meters away 50 yards away so she yelled

1605
01:14:10,330 --> 01:14:07,519
at him that I will go for a walk he said

1606
01:14:13,649 --> 01:14:10,340
and she went for a short walk but she

1607
01:14:17,229 --> 01:14:13,659
just had walked for maybe 100 meters

1608
01:14:22,119 --> 01:14:17,239
when she saw an object coming through

1609
01:14:25,089 --> 01:14:22,129
the woods very bright light navigating

1610
01:14:28,109 --> 01:14:25,099
through the woods stopping where the

1611
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:28,119
woods ended it was an open open field

1612
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:31,369
100 meters between her and this strange

1613
01:14:37,149 --> 01:14:34,249
object and yogi it was ground but it

1614
01:14:42,100 --> 01:14:37,159
turned out to be like an eye after a

1615
01:14:43,779 --> 01:14:42,110
couple of moments or hanging Shiva she

1616
01:14:46,689 --> 01:14:43,789
was frozen she couldn't move she was

1617
01:14:49,569 --> 01:14:46,699
paralyzed she said to me I could only

1618
01:14:52,299 --> 01:14:49,579
stand there I couldn't move a limb after

1619
01:14:55,209 --> 01:14:52,309
why she cannot say how long his eye

1620
01:14:58,089 --> 01:14:55,219
turned out to be a ball of light again

1621
01:15:01,000 --> 01:14:58,099
navigated backwards and she could walk

1622
01:15:03,069 --> 01:15:01,010
and when she came back to her husband he

1623
01:15:05,319 --> 01:15:03,079
had wondered where she went she who had

1624
01:15:07,859 --> 01:15:05,329
been around she had been away for for

1625
01:15:10,959 --> 01:15:07,869
much longer than she usually usually was

1626
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:10,969
but five days after this event the

1627
01:15:19,659 --> 01:15:16,159
neighbor came to visit and he was told

1628
01:15:22,869 --> 01:15:19,669
this story and he said wow I experienced

1629
01:15:25,209 --> 01:15:22,879
something at 9th at 7:30 the same

1630
01:15:27,989 --> 01:15:25,219
evening I was sitting inside my house

1631
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:27,999
and it's only from two kilometers away

1632
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:29,570
inside my

1633
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:32,239
looking at the TV and suddenly it was a

1634
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:34,489
bright light outside so I went to the

1635
01:15:39,879 --> 01:15:35,840
window I took a look I thought it was a

1636
01:15:43,089 --> 01:15:39,889
car that then maybe happened to to get

1637
01:15:45,129 --> 01:15:43,099
in in the a well crashed or something

1638
01:15:47,589 --> 01:15:45,139
like that with a headlight turned into

1639
01:15:49,780 --> 01:15:47,599
his house but it was a ball of light

1640
01:15:52,540 --> 01:15:49,790
outside so he went out to take a look at

1641
01:15:55,060 --> 01:15:52,550
that and he moved towards the bolo light

1642
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:55,070
and he stopped and he thought I will try

1643
01:16:00,729 --> 01:15:56,810
to make a snowball or something and

1644
01:16:04,540 --> 01:16:00,739
throw it we bent down to grab some snow

1645
01:16:06,250 --> 01:16:04,550
and when he was to throw it he froze he

1646
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:06,260
couldn't move he could just drop it and

1647
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:08,690
stand up really it means like something

1648
01:16:15,819 --> 01:16:12,400
was controlling him yeah the same thing

1649
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:15,829
the lady the same same night and

1650
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:17,810
suddenly this ball of light which was

1651
01:16:23,890 --> 01:16:21,679
only maybe 20 meters from him lift it up

1652
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:23,900
in the air flew away and when he went

1653
01:16:28,330 --> 01:16:27,679
inside all his television network was

1654
01:16:30,910 --> 01:16:28,340
scrambled

1655
01:16:33,580 --> 01:16:30,920
he got cables that he never had before I

1656
01:16:38,979 --> 01:16:33,590
couldn't get he couldn't understand what

1657
01:16:41,109 --> 01:16:38,989
happened Wow strange case and we we

1658
01:16:42,580 --> 01:16:41,119
couldn't find an explanation and the

1659
01:16:44,050 --> 01:16:42,590
scientists couldn't find an explanation

1660
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:44,060
to it either

1661
01:16:50,589 --> 01:16:49,010
Wow Wow someone wanted to know I I do

1662
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:50,599
want to talk about some more cases but

1663
01:16:57,209 --> 01:16:54,050
someone is the second question for some

1664
01:16:59,939 --> 01:16:57,219
reason I got on the Baltic Sea anomaly

1665
01:17:03,220 --> 01:16:59,949
do you know anything about that at all

1666
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:03,230
yeah yeah I know the guys who are who

1667
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:06,560
did a dive and I've been involved with I

1668
01:17:11,140 --> 01:17:08,690
mean I interviewed in in a documentary

1669
01:17:13,959 --> 01:17:11,150
about it and I'm very very skeptical

1670
01:17:17,370 --> 01:17:13,969
about all of the stuff really I talked

1671
01:17:20,859 --> 01:17:17,380
to the diver who went there first swell

1672
01:17:27,580 --> 01:17:20,869
yeah I don't think it's nothing to do

1673
01:17:32,260 --> 01:17:27,590
with you first the samples will be broke

1674
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:32,270
and there are other formations looking

1675
01:17:37,899 --> 01:17:34,159
very much like this if you look around

1676
01:17:40,270 --> 01:17:37,909
the same area so I don't think he's got

1677
01:17:43,149 --> 01:17:40,280
nothing else to do with anything to do

1678
01:17:46,629 --> 01:17:43,159
with UFOs it may be something

1679
01:17:48,850 --> 01:17:46,639
geological interesting maybe but yeah

1680
01:17:53,229 --> 01:17:48,860
they have the money to go back it's very

1681
01:17:55,449 --> 01:17:53,239
very deep it's 80 meters down it's very

1682
01:17:57,759 --> 01:17:55,459
expensive to do the dives to go there

1683
01:18:00,969 --> 01:17:57,769
and those guys have to make a living and

1684
01:18:02,620 --> 01:18:00,979
this is not giving them any monkey so

1685
01:18:04,540 --> 01:18:02,630
they don't do it I know there was

1686
01:18:07,989 --> 01:18:04,550
something off the shore of California

1687
01:18:10,750 --> 01:18:07,999
that people were speculating very

1688
01:18:13,029 --> 01:18:10,760
similar you know that they thought it

1689
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:13,039
was a crash UFO or something you know

1690
01:18:19,839 --> 01:18:16,880
and but there are a lot of very strange

1691
01:18:22,989 --> 01:18:19,849
natural anomalies out there when it

1692
01:18:25,089 --> 01:18:22,999
comes to formations under the sea I mean

1693
01:18:29,709 --> 01:18:25,099
I read the books about the neutral

1694
01:18:32,949 --> 01:18:29,719
natural phenomena and doing that I

1695
01:18:36,609 --> 01:18:32,959
realized how strange this world is and

1696
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:36,619
how many unusual and weird things that

1697
01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:39,650
happens around us that are natural this

1698
01:18:46,089 --> 01:18:43,729
is very uncommon and seen by very few so

1699
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:46,099
I think it's good to be followed is that

1700
01:18:51,250 --> 01:18:47,570
you must also know a lot about

1701
01:18:55,810 --> 01:18:51,260
psychology natural phenomena it was know

1702
01:18:58,239 --> 01:18:55,820
a lot about about history you must read

1703
01:19:03,250 --> 01:18:58,249
a lot I mean just reading your four

1704
01:19:05,649 --> 01:19:03,260
books that's bad for you yeah now can

1705
01:19:09,929 --> 01:19:05,659
you talk about some of the other really

1706
01:19:13,719 --> 01:19:09,939
interesting cases ever unsolved yeah we

1707
01:19:19,709 --> 01:19:13,729
are you investigated the case from 1988

1708
01:19:22,959 --> 01:19:19,719
from August the 28th and the guy who who

1709
01:19:26,169 --> 01:19:22,969
experienced this he he's a very very

1710
01:19:29,140 --> 01:19:26,179
nice guy he went out fishing

1711
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:29,150
it's the between same north of Stockholm

1712
01:19:35,529 --> 01:19:32,239
not far from here really maybe 200

1713
01:19:38,739 --> 01:19:35,539
kilometers from here he was out there

1714
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:38,749
very nice day and he he walked out on

1715
01:19:47,699 --> 01:19:43,209
the pier trying to catch some fish

1716
01:19:51,909 --> 01:19:47,709
suddenly he felt weird it was a some

1717
01:19:53,770 --> 01:19:51,919
electrical field had enclosed him came

1718
01:19:56,250 --> 01:19:53,780
around him in a way he couldn't really

1719
01:19:59,009 --> 01:19:56,260
pinpoint his felt

1720
01:20:00,000 --> 01:19:59,019
weary and the air was like filled with

1721
01:20:03,089 --> 01:20:00,010
electricity

1722
01:20:05,609 --> 01:20:03,099
she looked around see what is happening

1723
01:20:09,649 --> 01:20:05,619
what's happening around me and he looked

1724
01:20:14,069 --> 01:20:09,659
up in the sky and by chance he we could

1725
01:20:19,169 --> 01:20:14,079
change out there coming from 80 degrees

1726
01:20:21,810 --> 01:20:19,179
very very high flying down towards the

1727
01:20:25,109 --> 01:20:21,820
lake in front of him with a tremendous

1728
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:25,119
speed but like a dark diamond I will

1729
01:20:29,779 --> 01:20:27,280
show you a picture here because I have

1730
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:29,789
it in my booklet it you can see this oh

1731
01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:34,449
yes he stands there and he looks at this

1732
01:20:39,089 --> 01:20:37,510
strange object and you think this will

1733
01:20:42,540 --> 01:20:39,099
crash in the lake

1734
01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:42,550
but one meter above it's changed its

1735
01:20:49,140 --> 01:20:47,289
direction 90 degrees and traveled along

1736
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,150
the lake to the right to him

1737
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:52,239
which is completely impossible it's

1738
01:20:56,910 --> 01:20:54,639
impossible you cannot do that and the

1739
01:21:01,560 --> 01:20:56,920
speed was impossible and he could follow

1740
01:21:06,209 --> 01:21:01,570
it was flying underneath some the power

1741
01:21:09,709 --> 01:21:06,219
grid that was further away and then it

1742
01:21:12,660 --> 01:21:09,719
was gone but just gone so he put down

1743
01:21:15,149 --> 01:21:12,670
everything that was said he didn't fish

1744
01:21:17,729 --> 01:21:15,159
anymore he went up to the shore and he

1745
01:21:21,930 --> 01:21:17,739
sat down on a stone and then suddenly

1746
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:21,940
heard a whining sound circling around

1747
01:21:27,319 --> 01:21:23,170
him like this

1748
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:27,329
the came around like whoa whoa whoa

1749
01:21:36,959 --> 01:21:34,480
closing in but then he stopped yeah he

1750
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:36,969
didn't tell anyone until 2001 when he

1751
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:40,570
contacted me so I met with him and in

1752
01:21:47,700 --> 01:21:44,050
2015 we met again and filmed a

1753
01:21:51,330 --> 01:21:47,710
documentary out there on this this pier

1754
01:21:54,689 --> 01:21:51,340
and he told the same story all the time

1755
01:21:57,839 --> 01:21:54,699
and he said I didn't have a clue what it

1756
01:22:00,689 --> 01:21:57,849
was now when this thing was coming down

1757
01:22:03,149 --> 01:22:00,699
in it it stopped immediately and took

1758
01:22:07,620 --> 01:22:03,159
the 90-degree turn a meter above the

1759
01:22:09,180 --> 01:22:07,630
water did it cause any any ripples in

1760
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:09,190
the water anything did you talk about

1761
01:22:13,610 --> 01:22:09,850
that

1762
01:22:16,140 --> 01:22:13,620
oh so bizarre isn't it

1763
01:22:19,980 --> 01:22:16,150
you have your type mentions there you

1764
01:22:22,740 --> 01:22:19,990
know I mean it wasn't really with him in

1765
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:22,750
a way it was that but it wasn't really

1766
01:22:28,770 --> 01:22:26,770
there it should him should a ripple the

1767
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:28,780
water surface of course yeah it should

1768
01:22:34,290 --> 01:22:31,450
have heard a loud bang it was traveling

1769
01:22:37,020 --> 01:22:34,300
that fast that you had you had to make

1770
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:37,030
her Bank is yeah the the sound barrier

1771
01:22:41,490 --> 01:22:39,010
yeah no nothing

1772
01:22:43,740 --> 01:22:41,500
yeah that's another thing you always

1773
01:22:46,740 --> 01:22:43,750
hear of high speed UFOs but you never

1774
01:22:48,540 --> 01:22:46,750
I've never once heard of someone say it

1775
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:48,550
breaking the sound barrier making the

1776
01:22:54,450 --> 01:22:52,090
boom no no that's right you know it's a

1777
01:22:56,010 --> 01:22:54,460
shoot of course yeah anything over seven

1778
01:22:58,260 --> 01:22:56,020
hundred and fourteen miles an hour or

1779
01:23:01,410 --> 01:22:58,270
whatever it is that breaks the sound

1780
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:01,420
barrier and which is really amazing to

1781
01:23:07,710 --> 01:23:04,330
me because you hear of stories of you

1782
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:07,720
know possibly you know in the multiple

1783
01:23:13,860 --> 01:23:09,970
thousands of miles an hour you know even

1784
01:23:17,460 --> 01:23:13,870
even some on radar yeah yeah which I

1785
01:23:20,010 --> 01:23:17,470
sure I mean that's strange it won't know

1786
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:20,020
many strange things and and this guy I

1787
01:23:24,090 --> 01:23:21,850
mean I thought of him for many years I'm

1788
01:23:28,230 --> 01:23:24,100
still in contact with him from time to

1789
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:28,240
time it's the same he doesn't speculate

1790
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:37,020
bb1 Bombur something when it comes to

1791
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:41,770
the surface diamond-shaped surface the

1792
01:23:47,220 --> 01:23:44,800
short and that was all he could compare

1793
01:23:52,860 --> 01:23:47,230
with really and there was there was a

1794
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:52,870
swooshing sound from some way Wow

1795
01:23:56,940 --> 01:23:54,970
yeah and uh you know I've talked to a

1796
01:24:00,330 --> 01:23:56,950
few people who have talked about feeling

1797
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:00,340
like the electromagnetic or some type of

1798
01:24:05,670 --> 01:24:03,130
pressure or something you hear all these

1799
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:05,680
different you know they feel something

1800
01:24:12,780 --> 01:24:10,330
going on you know and yeah really

1801
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:12,790
interesting the better thing is that if

1802
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:15,610
he had told us this story the day after

1803
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:17,890
or the same day we could have checked

1804
01:24:22,740 --> 01:24:19,690
what happened with his object when it

1805
01:24:23,690 --> 01:24:22,750
vanished because it was flying towards a

1806
01:24:27,530 --> 01:24:23,700
small village

1807
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:27,540
hmm the someone there could very well

1808
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:28,800
have seen it as well

1809
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:32,010
but we'll never know no probably how

1810
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:35,760
many years ago was this again 1988 yeah

1811
01:24:39,790 --> 01:24:38,970
yeah oh yeah so now it's quite a few

1812
01:24:44,180 --> 01:24:39,800
years ago

1813
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:44,190
there's Sweden have any hot spots or has

1814
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:46,050
there ever been like what you'd call a

1815
01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:51,690
flap yeah there being a few flaps in the

1816
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:54,300
middle of Sweden it's a total feeling

1817
01:24:59,450 --> 01:24:56,610
called daughter Cornelia they had a

1818
01:25:02,060 --> 01:24:59,460
couple of UFO flaps with the military

1819
01:25:04,300 --> 01:25:02,070
involved as well they were trying to

1820
01:25:08,510 --> 01:25:04,310
find out what happened but I don't think

1821
01:25:10,370 --> 01:25:08,520
anyone did we have some hot spots as

1822
01:25:13,820 --> 01:25:10,380
well where people say that they can see

1823
01:25:15,770 --> 01:25:13,830
things we are went there but I'm very

1824
01:25:18,740 --> 01:25:15,780
very skeptical about it because when we

1825
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:18,750
took a car and draw the same route

1826
01:25:23,450 --> 01:25:21,330
people pointed at our core is that there

1827
01:25:28,460 --> 01:25:23,460
it is that's a UFO it looks exactly like

1828
01:25:30,530 --> 01:25:28,470
that so I don't think we have any spot

1829
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:30,540
in Sweden that you really can go to and

1830
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:34,110
see things for sure you can do to spot

1831
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:40,730
something you see things yeah yeah now

1832
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:45,120
would you say that there are any old

1833
01:25:47,420 --> 01:25:45,810
time

1834
01:25:50,750 --> 01:25:47,430
researchers you know way before your

1835
01:25:54,770 --> 01:25:50,760
time that stood out as far as doing work

1836
01:25:57,140 --> 01:25:54,780
in Sweden there is one that you can read

1837
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:57,150
in English as well his name is just REM

1838
01:26:02,780 --> 01:26:00,000
one at least with books were translated

1839
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:02,790
into English ghosts are real it's not

1840
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:04,650
very well known today but he was an

1841
01:26:13,070 --> 01:26:08,370
academic and he was I think that the

1842
01:26:15,770 --> 01:26:13,080
first one that really tried to make us

1843
01:26:17,660 --> 01:26:15,780
false academic in in in a way he treated

1844
01:26:20,990 --> 01:26:17,670
the subject in that way it was it was

1845
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:21,000
very much ET oriented as well that I

1846
01:26:25,970 --> 01:26:23,130
think was his problem because he didn't

1847
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:25,980
have really the proof for what he said

1848
01:26:31,850 --> 01:26:30,210
if he hadn't had that with him I think

1849
01:26:34,700 --> 01:26:31,860
there could have been the breakthrough

1850
01:26:37,580 --> 01:26:34,710
already in the 60s when he was most

1851
01:26:39,050 --> 01:26:37,590
prolific he was over a

1852
01:26:41,930 --> 01:26:39,060
the years of age when he started

1853
01:26:43,970 --> 01:26:41,940
interest in UFOs they came from United

1854
01:26:47,740 --> 01:26:43,980
States from work and came back to Sweden

1855
01:26:50,270 --> 01:26:47,750
and then started getting this interest

1856
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:50,280
so we're very late in his life but he

1857
01:26:56,030 --> 01:26:52,800
was good at documenting he into your

1858
01:26:58,879 --> 01:26:56,040
witnesses put them on paper the people

1859
01:27:01,850 --> 01:26:58,889
laugh and read what he did and his files

1860
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:01,860
we saved from the dump for really

1861
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:04,800
because them how his family didn't

1862
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:07,199
realize the value of it we had asked his

1863
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:10,050
family it was the two of my friends in

1864
01:27:16,700 --> 01:27:12,960
within a a few that had asked his family

1865
01:27:19,780 --> 01:27:16,710
that could be get his files and sure

1866
01:27:22,580 --> 01:27:19,790
yeah we could but when they came there

1867
01:27:26,750 --> 01:27:22,590
all that was left was a couple of books

1868
01:27:28,459 --> 01:27:26,760
which they considered files so my my

1869
01:27:29,810 --> 01:27:28,469
friends who came along paced around a

1870
01:27:32,270 --> 01:27:29,820
degree and they asked but where are the

1871
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:32,280
correspondence where are they the UFO

1872
01:27:38,810 --> 01:27:36,000
investigations ah were you interested in

1873
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:38,820
that as well well put it down in the

1874
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:42,480
dumpster here a week ago so they ran

1875
01:27:47,890 --> 01:27:45,810
outside and luckily it wasn't empty

1876
01:27:52,839 --> 01:27:47,900
people still there

1877
01:27:56,660 --> 01:27:52,849
Wow yeah I'm sure go ahead

1878
01:27:59,359 --> 01:27:56,670
no a narrow escape I mean yes yeah I'm

1879
01:28:02,080 --> 01:27:59,369
sure you heard about the Project Blue

1880
01:28:06,890 --> 01:28:02,090
Book files that were found on Craigslist

1881
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:06,900
yeah yeah and that's that's all

1882
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:09,199
interesting now it seems like your

1883
01:28:15,649 --> 01:28:12,239
organization would be a very good place

1884
01:28:16,339 --> 01:28:15,659
for someone to archive files and things

1885
01:28:19,370 --> 01:28:16,349
like that

1886
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:19,380
you know because for instance let's just

1887
01:28:24,830 --> 01:28:21,690
say this I sat down had a conversation

1888
01:28:26,959 --> 01:28:24,840
at a conference with Travis Walton just

1889
01:28:29,540 --> 01:28:26,969
chit-chatting and all of a sudden I said

1890
01:28:31,129 --> 01:28:29,550
to him hey did Betty hill ever contact

1891
01:28:33,740 --> 01:28:31,139
you and he goes oh yeah we have a ton of

1892
01:28:35,899 --> 01:28:33,750
letters from Betty hill and I go I saw

1893
01:28:38,930 --> 01:28:35,909
you have letters from Betty hill writing

1894
01:28:41,330 --> 01:28:38,940
to you about your you know and I when I

1895
01:28:45,140 --> 01:28:41,340
hear something like that I all I think

1896
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:45,150
of is preservation you know I do as well

1897
01:28:50,570 --> 01:28:49,170
I think because there would be that

1898
01:28:51,169 --> 01:28:50,580
would be fascinating reading

1899
01:28:53,229 --> 01:28:51,179
you know if

1900
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:53,239
to personal it'd be fascinating reading

1901
01:28:59,149 --> 01:28:56,610
that documents you know two major cases

1902
01:29:02,270 --> 01:28:59,159
tied together you know I mean just two

1903
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:02,280
people Oh paper has been lost I mean we

1904
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:05,760
are we are sometimes too late I always

1905
01:29:11,660 --> 01:29:09,090
say to people please contact us we are

1906
01:29:14,330 --> 01:29:11,670
we are taking care of anything and

1907
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:14,340
everything really I mean I got travel

1908
01:29:19,630 --> 01:29:17,210
Europe trying to save stuff all the time

1909
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:19,640
the things we saved in Eureka California

1910
01:29:24,890 --> 01:29:22,560
last year they were the borderland

1911
01:29:28,419 --> 01:29:24,900
science research foundations paper from

1912
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:28,429
the 1940s the earth UEFA group in

1913
01:29:35,419 --> 01:29:31,610
America what was he saying that

1914
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:35,429
borderland Sciences Research Foundation

1915
01:29:41,780 --> 01:29:38,159
I've never heard that one no I mean it

1916
01:29:43,729 --> 01:29:41,790
was in the garage in Eureka I went in

1917
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:43,739
contact with the guy who held them for

1918
01:29:47,899 --> 01:29:44,850
years

1919
01:29:49,310 --> 01:29:47,909
he posted a film from the beginning

1920
01:29:51,410 --> 01:29:49,320
there were also letters never also

1921
01:29:53,209 --> 01:29:51,420
emails but somebody would like to call

1922
01:29:58,100 --> 01:29:53,219
in two o'clock Swedish time in the life

1923
01:30:01,040 --> 01:29:58,110
he picked up the phone at that time he

1924
01:30:06,500 --> 01:30:01,050
was he was hooked I mean I don't get

1925
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:06,510
people to to hang up on me when it's um

1926
01:30:10,669 --> 01:30:08,489
something like that happens we went

1927
01:30:14,540 --> 01:30:10,679
there and we brought back everything to

1928
01:30:17,390 --> 01:30:14,550
Sweden now it's it's safe here and we

1929
01:30:19,850 --> 01:30:17,400
are really encouraging people to think

1930
01:30:22,220 --> 01:30:19,860
of any of you before they die because

1931
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:22,230
when they do the relatives they don't

1932
01:30:26,209 --> 01:30:25,770
value paper much worse yes and throw it

1933
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:26,219
away

1934
01:30:31,610 --> 01:30:28,530
yeah there's a there's been talk about

1935
01:30:34,610 --> 01:30:31,620
someone like Paul bennewitz for instance

1936
01:30:37,070 --> 01:30:34,620
I'm sure you're familiar with him you

1937
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:37,080
know what happened to all his you know

1938
01:30:41,630 --> 01:30:39,840
his films his paper his photos and all

1939
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:41,640
that I know that he he went off the

1940
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:42,090
rails

1941
01:30:47,330 --> 01:30:44,159
you know toward the end but in the

1942
01:30:50,410 --> 01:30:47,340
beginning he supposedly had some pretty

1943
01:30:53,330 --> 01:30:50,420
interesting things going on there

1944
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:53,340
there's him there's you know there's

1945
01:30:57,860 --> 01:30:56,400
someone I know that has lots and lots of

1946
01:31:01,400 --> 01:30:57,870
files and

1947
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:01,410
yeah it is it is a shame you know I'm in

1948
01:31:07,610 --> 01:31:04,650
the fine arts and antiques appraisals

1949
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:07,620
and I do all that stuff so I I do you

1950
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:08,850
know that's the first thing I think of

1951
01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:11,850
is not not necessarily the value of

1952
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:13,920
something but just the fact that you

1953
01:31:19,580 --> 01:31:16,650
know preservation for for all you know

1954
01:31:22,730 --> 01:31:19,590
type of thing the monetary value is also

1955
01:31:25,730 --> 01:31:22,740
not very high right but the historical

1956
01:31:28,940 --> 01:31:25,740
value in the research value I mean I've

1957
01:31:32,540 --> 01:31:28,950
been to United Kingdom I said view fora

1958
01:31:36,170 --> 01:31:32,550
there their entire archives I traced it

1959
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:36,180
around Great Britain from ten different

1960
01:31:41,780 --> 01:31:39,330
places and I assembled everything he

1961
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:41,790
brought it to Sweden we scanned it we

1962
01:31:46,730 --> 01:31:44,130
did it ties all their tapes all their

1963
01:31:48,620 --> 01:31:46,740
pictures everything they had I brought

1964
01:31:51,410 --> 01:31:48,630
it back at the conference when they were

1965
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:51,420
50 years I gave a talk in London again

1966
01:31:57,140 --> 01:31:53,610
in a two terabyte hard drive with all

1967
01:31:59,330 --> 01:31:57,150
their history and I thought this with

1968
01:32:02,120 --> 01:31:59,340
contact international in Britain as well

1969
01:32:05,060 --> 01:32:02,130
Flying Saucer review we have their

1970
01:32:07,340 --> 01:32:05,070
entire archive seen in any of you we

1971
01:32:09,020 --> 01:32:07,350
have so many organisations that we saved

1972
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:09,030
their files because they are just

1973
01:32:15,740 --> 01:32:12,530
sitting in attics or in even worse in

1974
01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:15,750
basements damp basement right yeah

1975
01:32:20,930 --> 01:32:18,960
that's a killer of all yes yeah I mean

1976
01:32:22,910 --> 01:32:20,940
lifting books from from a floor never

1977
01:32:25,010 --> 01:32:22,920
glued to the floor half of the books

1978
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:25,020
were still on the floor mainly the box

1979
01:32:32,330 --> 01:32:27,810
yep and the mold you get into mold and

1980
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:32,340
all that yeah yep now what about did I

1981
01:32:40,310 --> 01:32:35,970
hear did you mention something about the

1982
01:32:44,030 --> 01:32:40,320
wendell stevens collection yeah yes i

1983
01:32:46,190 --> 01:32:44,040
have two large boxes of paperwork from

1984
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:46,200
wendell stevens down in my basement

1985
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:49,650
which I will sort before they are going

1986
01:32:56,150 --> 01:32:51,690
through a few we have some more stuff

1987
01:32:59,270 --> 01:32:56,160
coming in as well but that is stuff we

1988
01:33:01,850 --> 01:32:59,280
have to pay for I do understand that

1989
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:01,860
because the guy yovan's got it and to

1990
01:33:07,700 --> 01:33:04,890
pay for it once and we don't have money

1991
01:33:09,620 --> 01:33:07,710
for that really so we are trying to get

1992
01:33:11,500 --> 01:33:09,630
donations to do things like that but

1993
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:11,510
that's that's

1994
01:33:16,250 --> 01:33:14,250
yeah it's like that we are saying in

1995
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:16,260
some part of it but lots of it are still

1996
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:19,770
with another person in the US who is not

1997
01:33:27,500 --> 01:33:22,080
sharing anything at this moment I'm

1998
01:33:31,850 --> 01:33:27,510
sorry to say but maybe in the future so

1999
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:31,860
as far as as far as recent cases that's

2000
01:33:36,020 --> 01:33:33,330
one of the things I think I put into

2001
01:33:37,610 --> 01:33:36,030
that would be talking also about more

2002
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:37,620
recent cases has there been anything

2003
01:33:44,900 --> 01:33:42,090
really interesting going on I mean we

2004
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:44,910
get lots of pictures because it's summer

2005
01:33:50,510 --> 01:33:47,370
people are all taking pictures but the

2006
01:33:54,590 --> 01:33:50,520
most recent interesting case that I'm

2007
01:33:58,520 --> 01:33:54,600
being involving was from 2016 August the

2008
01:34:02,930 --> 01:33:58,530
6th it's a high strangeness case as well

2009
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:02,940
I should say but that night the man had

2010
01:34:07,670 --> 01:34:06,170
his wife in town south of Stockholm

2011
01:34:10,490 --> 01:34:07,680
we're out

2012
01:34:12,290 --> 01:34:10,500
they were barbecuing they were looking

2013
01:34:14,959 --> 01:34:12,300
up in the heavens they saw some really

2014
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:14,969
strange clouds up there I could see

2015
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:22,320
faces and human beings in the clouds we

2016
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:24,690
continued for a while but eventually

2017
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:28,050
they went in into the house but then

2018
01:34:35,470 --> 01:34:31,920
went out again around midnight and then

2019
01:34:38,590 --> 01:34:35,480
they saw some people walking on water

2020
01:34:41,780 --> 01:34:38,600
outside their house it's the small lake

2021
01:34:44,750 --> 01:34:41,790
to see a group of persons that were

2022
01:34:49,310 --> 01:34:44,760
standing on the water on the water on

2023
01:34:55,690 --> 01:34:49,320
the water like Jesus walking towards

2024
01:34:59,420 --> 01:34:55,700
them there is a small wooden area

2025
01:35:01,970 --> 01:34:59,430
they be behind their house and those

2026
01:35:05,050 --> 01:35:01,980
guys came walking towards this wooden

2027
01:35:08,959 --> 01:35:05,060
area and they were really scared so they

2028
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:08,969
called the police because now in the

2029
01:35:13,850 --> 01:35:11,280
morning and they could see it is one of

2030
01:35:17,390 --> 01:35:13,860
those creatures in one of the trees and

2031
01:35:21,709 --> 01:35:17,400
the police came they brought the dog

2032
01:35:24,050 --> 01:35:21,719
with her and the lady who called us

2033
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:24,060
there's a couple of hours after this

2034
01:35:28,130 --> 01:35:24,960
happen

2035
01:35:30,710 --> 01:35:28,140
told me that the dog didn't notice

2036
01:35:34,190 --> 01:35:30,720
anything and the policemen couldn't see

2037
01:35:36,620 --> 01:35:34,200
those creatures which both she and her

2038
01:35:39,170 --> 01:35:36,630
husband pointed to answer they are there

2039
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:39,180
but nobody else could see them you mean

2040
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:40,560
they could still see them when the

2041
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:43,650
police officer was there yeah they claim

2042
01:35:48,260 --> 01:35:46,010
that they still could see them Wow

2043
01:35:51,410 --> 01:35:48,270
the police went the way of course

2044
01:35:53,870 --> 01:35:51,420
because what to do yeah they probably

2045
01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:53,880
didn't believe them so they went back to

2046
01:36:01,880 --> 01:35:57,930
the station and they abandoned the house

2047
01:36:04,610 --> 01:36:01,890
they locked the house and they took a

2048
01:36:07,610 --> 01:36:04,620
car and went to a relative and spent the

2049
01:36:12,410 --> 01:36:07,620
night there and called us they called us

2050
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:12,420
in the morning early morning great

2051
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:14,610
length with this lady that's what I

2052
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:17,370
would do like whenever I see a movie

2053
01:36:21,410 --> 01:36:19,650
about ghosts or something I would say I

2054
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:21,420
just pack up and get the hell out of the

2055
01:36:25,940 --> 01:36:23,970
house right now I wouldn't I wouldn't

2056
01:36:27,410 --> 01:36:25,950
try to make it better or try to you know

2057
01:36:31,690 --> 01:36:27,420
do anything I just get the heck out of

2058
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:31,700
there now a question in the forum here

2059
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:34,530
kind of related to this well where we're

2060
01:36:39,770 --> 01:36:36,480
going here it says do you think the UFO

2061
01:36:45,020 --> 01:36:39,780
phenomena is related to other paranormal

2062
01:36:47,630 --> 01:36:45,030
phenomena I think that's the path you

2063
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:47,640
must investigate there is you almost

2064
01:36:52,340 --> 01:36:50,610
deal with that I think you cannot say

2065
01:36:56,180 --> 01:36:52,350
that this is something is not for us

2066
01:36:59,090 --> 01:36:56,190
because the paranormal and UFOs are in

2067
01:37:01,460 --> 01:36:59,100
many ways connected this when it comes

2068
01:37:04,670 --> 01:37:01,470
to how people tell the stories about

2069
01:37:10,430 --> 01:37:04,680
them I myself I don't distinguish

2070
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:10,440
between visions of Virgin Mary or trolls

2071
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:15,360
in the woods or elves or et entities

2072
01:37:23,660 --> 01:37:19,050
aliens they are to me thoughts of the

2073
01:37:30,890 --> 01:37:23,670
same context in a way so yeah I think

2074
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:30,900
you should be very open my indeed an

2075
01:37:35,710 --> 01:37:33,330
openness of course that's very important

2076
01:37:39,490 --> 01:37:35,720
you cannot close the door here

2077
01:37:42,820 --> 01:37:39,500
right now when we spoke I think three

2078
01:37:44,980 --> 01:37:42,830
three years ago or so I remembered that

2079
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:44,990
you told me that there have not been too

2080
01:37:51,610 --> 01:37:48,770
many abduction type cases is that still

2081
01:37:54,940 --> 01:37:51,620
the same there yeah it's still the same

2082
01:37:57,730 --> 01:37:54,950
very very very seldom it's not every

2083
01:38:00,550 --> 01:37:57,740
year it's not every second year we do

2084
01:38:06,100 --> 01:38:00,560
get some reports from people that are

2085
01:38:10,690 --> 01:38:06,110
waking up with strange markings on them

2086
01:38:12,730 --> 01:38:10,700
that happens but what what you see in

2087
01:38:15,340 --> 01:38:12,740
the u.s. when it comes to reductions you

2088
01:38:18,940 --> 01:38:15,350
don't see here and that cannot really

2089
01:38:21,180 --> 01:38:18,950
explain why but no and the same goes

2090
01:38:23,650 --> 01:38:21,190
with the Norway and Finland I should say

2091
01:38:28,930 --> 01:38:23,660
Wow isn't that it that's really

2092
01:38:31,930 --> 01:38:28,940
something and there are so many I don't

2093
01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:31,940
even want to say how many thousands of

2094
01:38:38,130 --> 01:38:35,600
people or maybe even more in the United

2095
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:38,140
States that think something is happening

2096
01:38:43,570 --> 01:38:41,810
but you did tell me if you wouldn't mind

2097
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:43,580
repeating this because it was like I

2098
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:45,410
said I think it was three years or more

2099
01:38:50,770 --> 01:38:48,650
ago there was this one case that I

2100
01:38:55,540 --> 01:38:50,780
believe involved a police officer or

2101
01:38:58,650 --> 01:38:55,550
something like that where his wife he

2102
01:39:01,960 --> 01:38:58,660
actually saw something going on woke up

2103
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:01,970
okay yeah it was not the police it was

2104
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:05,090
an ordinary guy okay all right don't and

2105
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:07,730
what you are talking about that is a

2106
01:39:11,890 --> 01:39:09,770
very very strange story because I got a

2107
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:11,900
letter from from him from the husband

2108
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:14,810
after he read one of my books and he

2109
01:39:22,270 --> 01:39:17,690
said you must come here and meet with us

2110
01:39:25,630 --> 01:39:22,280
and he explained in some outline the

2111
01:39:29,380 --> 01:39:25,640
story not in detail in his letter but he

2112
01:39:31,810 --> 01:39:29,390
he got be curious so I went there and he

2113
01:39:36,610 --> 01:39:31,820
had he not told his wife I was coming

2114
01:39:39,300 --> 01:39:36,620
which he should so he really really she

2115
01:39:43,090 --> 01:39:39,310
would say anything the first hour or two

2116
01:39:45,700 --> 01:39:43,100
but after a while we she warmed up and

2117
01:39:48,970 --> 01:39:45,710
we talked about many things and she

2118
01:39:49,490 --> 01:39:48,980
decided to share her experience so on

2119
01:39:51,230 --> 01:39:49,500
both of

2120
01:39:53,450 --> 01:39:51,240
told their experience to me and the

2121
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:53,460
strange thing is that she said to me

2122
01:40:00,160 --> 01:39:56,250
that when I am going to bed I usually

2123
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:00,170
wake up exactly as I fell asleep I'm not

2124
01:40:05,060 --> 01:40:04,650
tossing around my pillow or sheets or

2125
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:05,070
anything

2126
01:40:13,780 --> 01:40:08,610
I sleep sound and very good but this

2127
01:40:18,380 --> 01:40:13,790
night she woke up she told me she was

2128
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:18,390
crumbled like this like if like lying

2129
01:40:24,820 --> 01:40:21,810
with his or her face down towards the

2130
01:40:28,490 --> 01:40:24,830
bed and her knees underneath her chest

2131
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:28,500
and she was floating she felt that she

2132
01:40:36,290 --> 01:40:31,170
was not touching the bed at all he was

2133
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:36,300
floating out from the bed and she cannot

2134
01:40:41,150 --> 01:40:38,250
see what was behind her of course but

2135
01:40:44,390 --> 01:40:41,160
the room was illuminated with some sort

2136
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:44,400
of greenish light and at that time she

2137
01:40:47,810 --> 01:40:46,170
felt ofcourse scared and she tried to

2138
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:47,820
wake up her husband which he couldn't

2139
01:40:53,090 --> 01:40:50,400
she couldn't cry she couldn't say energy

2140
01:40:57,410 --> 01:40:53,100
could only whisper so she took his arm

2141
01:41:01,010 --> 01:40:57,420
instead and he woke up and he told me

2142
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:01,020
that I could see my wife in this

2143
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:04,560
position floating out to watch three

2144
01:41:10,970 --> 01:41:07,170
creatures like from a wiki streamer book

2145
01:41:14,300 --> 01:41:10,980
I should say same black eyes tiny

2146
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:14,310
nostrils slit her mouth and bald heads

2147
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:16,410
they were standing behind her and she

2148
01:41:20,900 --> 01:41:19,890
was floating towards them so he thought

2149
01:41:23,570 --> 01:41:20,910
what should I do

2150
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:23,580
we tried to kick them he tried to kick

2151
01:41:31,100 --> 01:41:27,090
his side his wife and when he did that

2152
01:41:33,380 --> 01:41:31,110
when he tried to do this it was

2153
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:33,390
completely dark in the room and he heard

2154
01:41:39,650 --> 01:41:38,010
a powerful pounce like this and his wife

2155
01:41:41,780 --> 01:41:39,660
was [\h__\h] falling on the floor

2156
01:41:43,010 --> 01:41:41,790
and she said I was outside the bed at

2157
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:43,020
that time wha-ha-ha

2158
01:41:47,180 --> 01:41:45,600
I fell on the floor and if you think

2159
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:47,190
that is strange the next thing that

2160
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:48,960
happens is more strange I should say

2161
01:41:55,340 --> 01:41:51,690
because she she goes up in the bed again

2162
01:41:57,890 --> 01:41:55,350
and they talk to each other and say what

2163
01:42:02,780 --> 01:41:57,900
was that I have no idea and they fell

2164
01:42:03,469 --> 01:42:02,790
asleep again I mean he's having burglars

2165
01:42:06,060 --> 01:42:03,479
who have

2166
01:42:09,660 --> 01:42:06,070
anyone into your room you would have

2167
01:42:11,399 --> 01:42:09,670
turned every light yes and you've been

2168
01:42:14,700 --> 01:42:11,409
running around calling the police may be

2169
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:14,710
looking for your rifle whatever they did

2170
01:42:21,060 --> 01:42:17,280
it next the next day they talked about

2171
01:42:25,319 --> 01:42:21,070
and very very straight and now they are

2172
01:42:28,319 --> 01:42:25,329
divorced which happened I think between

2173
01:42:30,509 --> 01:42:28,329
I told you last time and this time I

2174
01:42:32,850 --> 01:42:30,519
call them again of course I never I

2175
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:32,860
never left the witness be between

2176
01:42:37,950 --> 01:42:35,679
interesting story the colon again now

2177
01:42:41,069 --> 01:42:37,960
the hem and no there's no sentiment I

2178
01:42:44,009 --> 01:42:41,079
mean I had have no reason to build each

2179
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:44,019
other stories anymore huh but they tell

2180
01:42:49,709 --> 01:42:46,960
exactly the same story and she said I

2181
01:42:51,689 --> 01:42:49,719
never told this to anyone except my new

2182
01:42:56,700 --> 01:42:51,699
husband but look to my children

2183
01:43:04,319 --> 01:42:56,710
Wow now that that one is that's a great

2184
01:43:07,799 --> 01:43:04,329
story and it seems to me that I've heard

2185
01:43:10,469 --> 01:43:07,809
other people say after they have a major

2186
01:43:12,509 --> 01:43:10,479
sighting that they go right to sleep and

2187
01:43:13,770 --> 01:43:12,519
it doesn't make it it's another thing

2188
01:43:16,259 --> 01:43:13,780
that doesn't make any sense

2189
01:43:18,029 --> 01:43:16,269
you know just like you said if someone

2190
01:43:19,799 --> 01:43:18,039
was trying to break in the house and you

2191
01:43:20,339 --> 01:43:19,809
know I've had that actually happened

2192
01:43:23,310 --> 01:43:20,349
years ago

2193
01:43:25,140 --> 01:43:23,320
and I never slept the whole night you

2194
01:43:30,149 --> 01:43:25,150
know you know I was wide awake lights on

2195
01:43:31,859 --> 01:43:30,159
the whole deal and and I also have said

2196
01:43:34,049 --> 01:43:31,869
on the show in the past and it's because

2197
01:43:36,419 --> 01:43:34,059
the way I feel is like if I have that

2198
01:43:39,299 --> 01:43:36,429
going on in my life I would be a total

2199
01:43:40,469 --> 01:43:39,309
mess you know that really would be you

2200
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:40,479
know I don't know how I could have

2201
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:42,639
really function especially these people

2202
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:44,650
that say that whatever it is is

2203
01:43:50,580 --> 01:43:47,610
happening over and over all the time I

2204
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:50,590
agree with it must be tremendous

2205
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:53,650
pressure on those people living with

2206
01:44:01,560 --> 01:43:57,760
fear every night maybe yeah not knowing

2207
01:44:05,700 --> 01:44:01,570
when it's gonna happen again no no yeah

2208
01:44:08,069 --> 01:44:05,710
and so that was several years ago is

2209
01:44:10,890 --> 01:44:08,079
there any other abduction cases that you

2210
01:44:14,219 --> 01:44:10,900
found interesting I know you said to so

2211
01:44:16,290 --> 01:44:14,229
few they also few and most of the

2212
01:44:16,830 --> 01:44:16,300
abduction cases I am not investigated

2213
01:44:19,650 --> 01:44:16,840
there are

2214
01:44:24,210 --> 01:44:19,660
the people in new force weeding that did

2215
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:24,220
that one that I did not investigate I

2216
01:44:28,830 --> 01:44:26,170
mean I'm a tree Betty you may have told

2217
01:44:33,540 --> 01:44:28,840
you lost time I don't remember but I

2218
01:44:36,690 --> 01:44:33,550
spent a full day with Betty Hill didn't

2219
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:36,700
know that though it was very very

2220
01:44:42,660 --> 01:44:38,890
interesting because many many aspects

2221
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:42,670
really because she told me a lot of

2222
01:44:49,010 --> 01:44:45,610
things that you cannot read in books

2223
01:44:54,090 --> 01:44:49,020
about her about her UFO interest before

2224
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:54,100
the the abduction it was very he had a

2225
01:45:01,500 --> 01:44:57,810
big interest she even saw a UFO crash

2226
01:45:04,980 --> 01:45:01,510
before the abduction haha which is not

2227
01:45:08,730 --> 01:45:04,990
very but many people know that but she

2228
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:08,740
was with her sister when when she saw

2229
01:45:14,580 --> 01:45:11,890
this strange thing in the sky crashing

2230
01:45:19,140 --> 01:45:14,590
and she went there she brought back with

2231
01:45:23,420 --> 01:45:19,150
her a piece of this cross and that she

2232
01:45:27,690 --> 01:45:23,430
told me that piece she kept in a closet

2233
01:45:28,290 --> 01:45:27,700
inside bornus on her house for a long

2234
01:45:31,610 --> 01:45:28,300
time

2235
01:45:34,490 --> 01:45:31,620
aha until he said she didn't wanted them

2236
01:45:38,610 --> 01:45:34,500
and she took it out in the garden and

2237
01:45:39,570 --> 01:45:38,620
then one day a decay man Laurie with

2238
01:45:42,900 --> 01:45:39,580
gravel or something

2239
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:42,910
I'm sorry with the with the yeah I'm so

2240
01:45:50,310 --> 01:45:45,280
Tom sand or whatever it was

2241
01:45:53,100 --> 01:45:50,320
and poured it over this object which is

2242
01:45:54,780 --> 01:45:53,110
gone she was still out there in the

2243
01:45:57,900 --> 01:45:54,790
garden when we met with her around me I

2244
01:46:00,300 --> 01:45:57,910
think it was in 1987 I met with her and

2245
01:46:04,650 --> 01:46:00,310
it was still out there she told me I had

2246
01:46:10,230 --> 01:46:04,660
this strange story yes so you were

2247
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:10,240
actually at her house she baked a cake

2248
01:46:14,910 --> 01:46:12,730
for cake for us and she made a drawing

2249
01:46:16,290 --> 01:46:14,920
of this strange object that doesn't

2250
01:46:22,260 --> 01:46:16,300
really look like the drawings to have

2251
01:46:27,090 --> 01:46:22,270
seen before either and I mean after

2252
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:27,100
listening to that story I feel that you

2253
01:46:30,830 --> 01:46:30,370
must really deal with the abduction case

2254
01:46:34,010 --> 01:46:30,840
in

2255
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:34,020
different light as well mm-hmm

2256
01:46:40,220 --> 01:46:36,960
I was uh I was in that I lived in that

2257
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:40,230
town Portsmouth New Hampshire back when

2258
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:41,970
you're saying in that whole area for

2259
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:45,810
many years growing up and everything so

2260
01:46:52,250 --> 01:46:49,050
Wow I'd had no idea that I'm gonna have

2261
01:46:54,020 --> 01:46:52,260
to talk to her niece Kathy Martin about

2262
01:46:56,090 --> 01:46:54,030
that that's just really interesting see

2263
01:46:57,670 --> 01:46:56,100
if she knows anything about the thing in

2264
01:46:59,720 --> 01:46:57,680
the garden she never mentioned it before

2265
01:47:01,880 --> 01:46:59,730
she's been on the show a number of times

2266
01:47:04,100 --> 01:47:01,890
yeah I have to talk to her about it

2267
01:47:07,070 --> 01:47:04,110
nobody meant I have a little tape but

2268
01:47:07,610 --> 01:47:07,080
nobody mentioned yeah yeah that's really

2269
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:07,620
something

2270
01:47:15,260 --> 01:47:12,810
Wow so I guess you know we're going to

2271
01:47:18,230 --> 01:47:15,270
about we have an about five or seven

2272
01:47:20,810 --> 01:47:18,240
minutes so I guess I'd like to just ask

2273
01:47:25,130 --> 01:47:20,820
you I think we covered all the topics

2274
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:25,140
that we wanted to and going in through

2275
01:47:32,990 --> 01:47:29,370
all this but one of the the thing that's

2276
01:47:34,970 --> 01:47:33,000
always fascinating is the unexplained

2277
01:47:38,900 --> 01:47:34,980
cases if you can think of anymore that

2278
01:47:40,790 --> 01:47:38,910
have come through your organization yeah

2279
01:47:43,610 --> 01:47:40,800
I mean there were lots of them really

2280
01:47:45,020 --> 01:47:43,620
the yeah well let's hear some some of

2281
01:47:50,330 --> 01:47:45,030
your wanting one or two of your

2282
01:47:57,950 --> 01:47:50,340
favorites one of my favorites I think I

2283
01:48:00,920 --> 01:47:57,960
can call it is from the 19 1977 the

2284
01:48:02,570 --> 01:48:00,930
summer of 1977 when it's the Swedish

2285
01:48:07,220 --> 01:48:02,580
fighter pilot that's one of those

2286
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:07,230
objects and chased it in in the sky he

2287
01:48:14,300 --> 01:48:10,080
was out flying on a training mission in

2288
01:48:17,300 --> 01:48:14,310
the Baltic area east of Sweden when the

2289
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:17,310
radar group leader on ground said that

2290
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:20,730
he could see an unknown object flying

2291
01:48:27,980 --> 01:48:25,010
from east to west he to Sweden really

2292
01:48:30,410 --> 01:48:27,990
this was the Cold War and it happened

2293
01:48:34,370 --> 01:48:30,420
all the time Russians it was Americans

2294
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:34,380
it was but other other guys was wrong so

2295
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:38,010
this fighter pilot he turned his his

2296
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:40,650
aircraft to towards this object and if

2297
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:44,090
lo directed by the radar leader

2298
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:47,690
towards the object and when he came in a

2299
01:48:53,410 --> 01:48:51,199
distance of maybe 20 kilometers

2300
01:48:55,899 --> 01:48:53,420
something like that he he got it on his

2301
01:48:59,800 --> 01:48:55,909
radar the board instructor yeah

2302
01:49:03,879 --> 01:48:59,810
we looked along Tommy and at that point

2303
01:49:06,250 --> 01:49:03,889
the object was hovering stationary may I

2304
01:49:09,129 --> 01:49:06,260
be moved moving a little little he

2305
01:49:12,939 --> 01:49:09,139
wasn't sure but mostly stationary

2306
01:49:16,439 --> 01:49:12,949
10 kilometers 10,000 meters over the

2307
01:49:21,250 --> 01:49:16,449
Baltic Sea and then probably the object

2308
01:49:26,830 --> 01:49:21,260
saw him because he started to fly her

2309
01:49:30,430 --> 01:49:26,840
straight up and he followed it he was in

2310
01:49:32,740 --> 01:49:30,440
an angle of 70 degrees wow it's deep

2311
01:49:35,919 --> 01:49:32,750
that's very steep yeah dangerous enough

2312
01:49:39,609 --> 01:49:35,929
sleep can you resist II can stall if you

2313
01:49:42,669 --> 01:49:39,619
don't watch it but he was so interested

2314
01:49:45,370 --> 01:49:42,679
in what this was so he flew after it but

2315
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:45,380
when he came to tell you around 10

2316
01:49:50,919 --> 01:49:48,560
kilometers he was 12 flown by and he

2317
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:50,929
said at that point the object was flying

2318
01:49:56,740 --> 01:49:54,290
out into space geez Wow

2319
01:49:59,320 --> 01:49:56,750
and he didn't report it because he said

2320
01:50:02,310 --> 01:49:59,330
to the radar controller on ground ground

2321
01:50:05,379 --> 01:50:02,320
that this was two strange dreams he said

2322
01:50:08,620 --> 01:50:05,389
no it wasn't here it was gone when when

2323
01:50:11,890 --> 01:50:08,630
I came here we went to the base and

2324
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:11,900
landed and he never reported it really

2325
01:50:17,859 --> 01:50:14,690
but the same ginning he came back to his

2326
01:50:21,820 --> 01:50:17,869
wife and his wife told me that he was

2327
01:50:25,330 --> 01:50:21,830
old he was shattered this was said this

2328
01:50:29,859 --> 01:50:25,340
I saw today it doesn't really it doesn't

2329
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:29,869
really exist and I talked to him in 1999

2330
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:32,090
and just a couple of months after my

2331
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:34,159
interview he was killed in the aircraft

2332
01:50:38,530 --> 01:50:36,800
accident with the helicopter ha I'm

2333
01:50:40,060 --> 01:50:38,540
trying to save people up in the north of

2334
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:40,070
Sweden and his helicopter were bloke

2335
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:43,489
blown into the side of a very high

2336
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:46,610
mountain lemon was so I only have one

2337
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:49,250
really long into you with him on tape

2338
01:50:54,220 --> 01:50:51,170
Wow

2339
01:50:55,930 --> 01:50:54,230
and we couldn't couldn't put any

2340
01:50:57,289 --> 01:50:55,940
follow-up questions but I've talked to

2341
01:51:00,559 --> 01:50:57,299
everyone around you

2342
01:51:02,719 --> 01:51:00,569
come please squadron leader with the

2343
01:51:06,769 --> 01:51:02,729
other Flyers around him they all work

2344
01:51:09,259 --> 01:51:06,779
for him - very good person but it was

2345
01:51:12,829 --> 01:51:09,269
never put on paper because in every

2346
01:51:19,099 --> 01:51:12,839
cookie now what is the deal with the

2347
01:51:22,009 --> 01:51:19,109
military and and private airline system

2348
01:51:23,599 --> 01:51:22,019
there as far as reporting UFOs is it

2349
01:51:27,919 --> 01:51:23,609
isn't it required anything that's

2350
01:51:30,500 --> 01:51:27,929
dangerous to be reported when I talk to

2351
01:51:32,689 --> 01:51:30,510
his commander of the word he said I

2352
01:51:36,259 --> 01:51:32,699
really would have liked that he had

2353
01:51:39,979 --> 01:51:36,269
reported this yeah and of course people

2354
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:39,989
do report things as well I mean I take

2355
01:51:46,009 --> 01:51:43,010
pictures I got pictures from Swedish

2356
01:51:48,409 --> 01:51:46,019
airline pilots flying over Kazakhstan

2357
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:48,419
took pictures of something very very

2358
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:50,489
strange in this guy which was as I use

2359
01:51:55,819 --> 01:51:54,239
launch turned out to be but I mean they

2360
01:51:58,849 --> 01:51:55,829
see things they take pictures because

2361
01:52:01,369 --> 01:51:58,859
they also have cameras they do that and

2362
01:52:05,629 --> 01:52:01,379
there is of course very much I mean de

2363
01:52:08,649 --> 01:52:05,639
Cannes has investigated aircraft fighter

2364
01:52:12,259 --> 01:52:08,659
pilots in report for many many years

2365
01:52:13,759 --> 01:52:12,269
he knows lots of people he thinks when

2366
01:52:15,649 --> 01:52:13,769
they are flying that's right

2367
01:52:18,949 --> 01:52:15,659
not everyone has the ability to take a

2368
01:52:25,149 --> 01:52:18,959
picture though so what about this pilot

2369
01:52:27,409 --> 01:52:25,159
that took the 70-degree the 78 degree

2370
01:52:30,169 --> 01:52:27,419
what do you call it when he was chasing

2371
01:52:33,979 --> 01:52:30,179
after the UFO did he try to take any

2372
01:52:37,339 --> 01:52:33,989
pictures no I mean this was not an

2373
01:52:39,109 --> 01:52:37,349
aircraft quick with with cameras I see

2374
01:52:41,119 --> 01:52:39,119
and in a fighter jet you don't bring

2375
01:52:42,889 --> 01:52:41,129
your own camera if you don't have I mean

2376
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:42,899
you have that option of course if you

2377
01:52:48,319 --> 01:52:45,119
are out on a mission like that yeah

2378
01:52:50,419 --> 01:52:48,329
Betina most of the time those things

2379
01:52:53,829 --> 01:52:50,429
happen very quickly I mean I interviewed

2380
01:52:56,179 --> 01:52:53,839
a alitalia pilot an airline pilot from

2381
01:52:59,869 --> 01:52:56,189
battalions Airlines

2382
01:53:02,419 --> 01:52:59,879
Alitalia who met what you can say goes

2383
01:53:05,929 --> 01:53:02,429
rocket over there British channel Wow

2384
01:53:07,699 --> 01:53:05,939
and they were clearly hit by it was only

2385
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:07,709
couple hundred meter from Nate was

2386
01:53:15,140 --> 01:53:10,170
coming straight to them

2387
01:53:19,220 --> 01:53:15,150
he and his copilot they know it it's to

2388
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:19,230
be called Heathrow control and they said

2389
01:53:26,419 --> 01:53:22,800
yes we see an object 10 nautical miles

2390
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:26,429
behind you flying away from you do they

2391
01:53:33,020 --> 01:53:29,610
saw it and he landed and he asked what

2392
01:53:35,060 --> 01:53:33,030
was it and he was told it's probably a

2393
01:53:36,290 --> 01:53:35,070
helicopter or maybe something else is

2394
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:36,300
that Wow

2395
01:53:41,660 --> 01:53:39,690
wrong altitude wrong size wrong speed

2396
01:53:43,490 --> 01:53:41,670
everything was wrong it wasn't the

2397
01:53:46,189 --> 01:53:43,500
helicopter and the British military

2398
01:53:48,950 --> 01:53:46,199
spent weeks and weeks and weeks and

2399
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:48,960
eventually produced a report saying this

2400
01:53:55,070 --> 01:53:51,690
was a UFO and it doesn't matter because

2401
01:53:58,160 --> 01:53:55,080
we don't you have no interest in oh yeah

2402
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:58,170
I always always like that when they

2403
01:54:07,130 --> 01:54:00,000
always say they don't have any interest

2404
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:07,140
in it do you think it's just because

2405
01:54:13,729 --> 01:54:11,250
it's it can't be explained and you know

2406
01:54:17,450 --> 01:54:13,739
why why bother putting any energy into

2407
01:54:21,919 --> 01:54:17,460
it I mean why else would they you know

2408
01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:21,929
it takes so much time and money yeah do

2409
01:54:27,229 --> 01:54:23,730
it it doesn't give them anything back

2410
01:54:28,490 --> 01:54:27,239
really now you mentioned earlier we only

2411
01:54:31,790 --> 01:54:28,500
have two minutes here but you mentioned

2412
01:54:34,430 --> 01:54:31,800
earlier that you know the military was

2413
01:54:36,590 --> 01:54:34,440
involved and help and even today they

2414
01:54:40,220 --> 01:54:36,600
helped you as far as giving you

2415
01:54:43,729 --> 01:54:40,230
information and sending along people was

2416
01:54:46,970 --> 01:54:43,739
there ever any part of your Air Force

2417
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:46,980
that got involved in actually doing a

2418
01:54:51,500 --> 01:54:49,530
scientific work you know like we did at

2419
01:54:56,300 --> 01:54:51,510
Project Blue Book and grunge and all

2420
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:56,310
that yeah no never never never been

2421
01:55:03,350 --> 01:54:59,840
conducted any proper science just

2422
01:55:06,590 --> 01:55:03,360
assembling files nobody else really from

2423
01:55:08,479 --> 01:55:06,600
from the military never really tried to

2424
01:55:11,180 --> 01:55:08,489
make science or movies which it's a

2425
01:55:14,540 --> 01:55:11,190
shame of course yeah should have done

2426
01:55:16,610 --> 01:55:14,550
that so maybe we will do that then

2427
01:55:18,350 --> 01:55:16,620
there's lots of material it's thousands

2428
01:55:21,890 --> 01:55:18,360
and thousands of cases yeah I mean you

2429
01:55:23,660 --> 01:55:21,900
can do it yes and just one last question

2430
01:55:26,270 --> 01:55:23,670
here has anyone

2431
01:55:29,590 --> 01:55:26,280
ever tried to pull a hoax that you're

2432
01:55:34,610 --> 01:55:29,600
aware of yeah I mean just the other week

2433
01:55:37,970 --> 01:55:34,620
Lots it happens they put a picture out

2434
01:55:40,669 --> 01:55:37,980
and on Facebook on our Facebook's page

2435
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:40,679
and said well I took this picture I saw

2436
01:55:45,470 --> 01:55:43,170
its object it was flying over me it was

2437
01:55:47,540 --> 01:55:45,480
I could see within half a second that it

2438
01:55:51,590 --> 01:55:47,550
wasn't it was a reflection from the Sun

2439
01:55:54,140 --> 01:55:51,600
and I wrote and eventually he he agreed

2440
01:55:57,890 --> 01:55:54,150
and said yeah I was just trying to see

2441
01:56:00,020 --> 01:55:57,900
if you would buy it just checking you

2442
01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:00,030
out all right hey thanks so much class

2443
01:56:05,300 --> 01:56:02,370
has been a real pleasure mmm the very

2444
01:56:07,610 --> 01:56:05,310
same very same and uh see you yes hope

2445
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:07,620
to meet you someday all right yeah all

2446
01:56:14,419 --> 01:56:10,650
right you take care now you do thank

2447
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:14,429
okay bye bye alright everyone so thanks

2448
01:56:18,169 --> 01:56:16,320
so much for listening I appreciate it

2449
01:56:20,030 --> 01:56:18,179
and if you were in chat thanks so much

2450
01:56:21,950 --> 01:56:20,040
for hanging out with me live we'll be

2451
01:56:25,130 --> 01:56:21,960
back next week with Peter Robbins and

2452
01:56:27,410 --> 01:56:25,140
we're gonna be talking about Russian

2453
01:56:29,240 --> 01:56:27,420
UFOs for the most part since I'm here in

2454
01:56:32,270 --> 01:56:29,250
Russia he thought he would touch on that

2455
01:56:34,010 --> 01:56:32,280
subject and again we'll be back next

2456
01:56:35,660 --> 01:56:34,020
week and thanks so much also if you're

2457
01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:35,670
listening at this time you are probably

2458
01:56:39,890 --> 01:56:38,610
either listening live or a supporter and

2459
01:56:42,260 --> 01:56:39,900
I appreciate that very much

2460
01:56:47,660 --> 01:56:42,270
and remember to keep your eyes to the